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Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Former DNI John Ratcliffe will testify before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic Tuesday
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ratcliffe-to-say-a-lab-leak-is-the-only-explanation-for-covid-during-unclassified-overview-of-pandemic
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Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Former DNI John Ratcliffe will testify before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic Tuesday
By Brooke Singman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ratcliffe-to-say-a-lab-leak-is-the-only-explanation-for-covid-during-unclassified-overview-of-pandemic
I think John Ratcliffe makes some good points. Not sure much will ever come of his theory on the lab leak. It is not likely that China is ever going to admit this or permit a thorough investigation.
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4 of the last 5 flu pandemics (including C-19) originated in China. If C-19 was ginned up in a lab (as I believe) the only people who know are either dead or high up in the CCP.
Circumstantial evidence, such as Harvard’s review of satellite imagery of Wuhan in the summer and fall of 2019, point to the virus being out nearly 4 years ago.
The apathy of much of our legacy media toward the pandemic’s origin during the first 2 years is a story in and of itself.
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I think John Ratcliffe makes some good points. Not sure much will ever come of his theory on the lab leak. It is not likely that China is ever going to admit this or permit a thorough investigation.
China is never going to admit anything. But the evidence is overwhelming that this virus came from a lab.
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4 of the last 5 flu pandemics (including C-19) originated in China. If C-19 was ginned up in a lab (as I believe) the only people who know are either dead or high up in the CCP.
Circumstantial evidence, such as Harvard’s review of satellite imagery of Wuhan in the summer and fall of 2019, point to the virus being out nearly 4 years ago.
The apathy of much of our legacy media toward the pandemic’s origin during the first 2 years is a story in and of itself.
Collective yawn from the media. I say this I repeatedly, but real journalism is dead.
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China is never going to admit anything. But the evidence is overwhelming that this virus came from a lab.
Yes it does seem that way. Next up, did it accidentally come from the bats and COVID being studied in the lab or was COVID intentionally manufactured in the lab as a bio-weapon?
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Think of all the folks who earned their living on platforms who were demonetized for talking about the lab leak theory early on.
They should sue.
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Scientists working at Wuhan Institute of Virology alongside Chinese military 'were combining world's most deadly coronaviruses to create mutant strain capable of sparking a pandemic just before the Covid outbreak began'
Investigators say Covid-19 was developed through a series of risky experiments
The virus was leaked from the Wuhan lab and covered up due to its military links
By LOUIS GOSS
PUBLISHED: 11 June 2023
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12182513/Scientists-Wuhan-combining-worlds-deadly-coronaviruses-outbreak-Covid-19.html
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First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources
The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill
MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER, MATT TAIBBI, AND ALEX GUTENTAG
JUN 13, 2023
After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.
More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.
Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.
Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.
As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.
When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the identities of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”
“Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”
Shi Zhengli, “the bat woman of China,” who oversaw Wuhan Institute of Virology’s coronavirus research and engineering. (Getty Images)
Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.
Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”
Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”
Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.
Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.
A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.
On Dec. 29, 2017, two years before the pandemic began, Chinese state-run television aired a video that includes a scene of Ben Hu watching a lab worker handle specimens. Neither are wearing protective gear. The same video shows WIV scientists hunting for bat viruses with little protective gear. “If they were worried about being infected in the field, they would need full body suits with no gaps” to be safe, said Chan. “That’s the only way.”
The WIV research with live SARS-like viruses was performed at too low of a safety level, “BSL-2,” explains Chan, “When we now know that the pandemic virus is even capable of escaping from a BSL-3 lab and infecting fully vaccinated young lab workers.”
While scientists justify such research as necessary for developing vaccines, President Barack Obama banned federal funding for gain-of-function research of concern in 2014, because experts had come to the consensus that it was too dangerous. However, the National Institute of Health and NIAID headed by Francis Collins and Fauci, and a major U.S. government grantee, EcoHealth Alliance, deemed their work on SARS-like viruses as not falling under the gain-of-function research of concern definitions and funded this project in China and Southeast Asia.
In March 2018, the WIV, the EcoHealth Alliance, and the University of North Carolina applied for a $14 million grant from the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Project Agency DARPA to engineer “furin cleavage sites” into SARS-like coronaviruses to study how this affected their ability to grow and cause disease.
Scientists say the key piece of the COVID-19 virus, which made it so transmissible compared to its closest relatives, was its unique furin cleavage site.
DARPA rejected the grant, but it now appears the WIV went forward with the research anyway. The Times of London reported that US collaborators of the WIV had come forward and said the Wuhan scientists had put furin cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses in 2019.
Hu co-authored multiple papers on coronavirus research, including a 2017 paper on chimeric bat coronaviruses with Peter Daszak, the head of EcoHealth Alliance, which was funded in part by the NIH and the USAID Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT Program. Data privately shared with the NIH revealed that these chimeric SARS-like viruses grew far more quickly and caused more severe disease in humanized mice in the lab.
When the WIV put out their first paper about the pandemic virus, they failed to point out the novel furin cleavage site despite having had plans to and allegedly putting such gain-of-function features into SARS-like viruses in their lab. “It’s as if these scientists proposed putting horns on horses, but when a unicorn shows up in their city a year later they write a paper describing every part of it except its horn,” said Chan.
Public sent emails and made phone calls to the NIH, WIV, EcoHealth Alliance, Daszak, Hu, and Shi over the last several days and did not hear back.
It is unclear who in the U.S. government had access to the intelligence about the sick WIV workers, how long they had it, and why it was not shared with the public. “You would expect the country of origin to be defensive,” said Chan, “but you wouldn’t expect a country receiving the virus to be withholding key evidence.”
On January 15, 2021, five days before President Joe Biden took office, the U.S. State Department published a fact sheet that pointed to the likelihood of a lab leak as the cause of a pandemic.
Already, the State Department in 2021 suspected that the WIV had lied to the public. “The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both COVID-19 and common seasonal illnesses. That raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli’s public claim that there was ‘zero infection’ among the WIV’s staff and students by SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses.”
In February of this year, the Director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, told a reporter that “the FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.”
The Times of London reported that State Department investigators “found evidence that researchers working on these experiments were taken to hospital with Covid-like symptoms in November 2019.” As previously reported in Vanity Fair, some of the information State Department investigators found in 2021 was “sitting in the U.S. intelligence community’s own files, unanalyzed.”
“Ever since I put out my [May 2020] preprint [research paper] saying that an accidental lab origin was possible, I was criticized as a conspiracy theorist,” said Chan. “If this info had been made public in May of 2020, I doubt that many in the scientific community and the media would have spent the last three years raving about a raccoon dog or pangolin in a wet market.”
Identifying the first COVID-19 case as a Wuhan Institute scientist overseeing gain-of-function research has significant ramifications for investigators in search of a motive for a cover-up.
Politicians, scientists, journalists, and amateur researchers for years now have zeroed in on the possibility that Covid-19 may have resulted from U.S.-funded gain-of-function research conducted in China.
Publications ranging from the Washington Post to the Intercept to the Wall Street Journal have uncovered suggestive details, including the fact that the NIH awarded funding for at least 18 gain-of-function research projects between 2012 and 2020, and NIH scientists in 2016 expressing concern about supposedly paused hybrid “chimera” virus research.
Had the information come out earlier, governments may have responded to the pandemic differently. After Public shared the information with Chan, she said, “I feel vindicated, but I’m frustrated. If you knew that this was likely a lab-enhanced pathogen, there are so many things you could have done differently. This whole pandemic could have been reshaped.”
Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that work, our national and global conversations would have been dramatically different. The time has come for a full accounting.”
https://public.substack.com/p/first-people-sickened-by-covid-19
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Whistleblower says CIA officials were paid to change view that COVID originated in Wuhan lab
The allegations, which stemmed from a "seemingly credible source" require Congress to investigate how the CIA handled its investigation of COVID's origins, according to the lawmakers.
By Madeleine Hubbard
September 12, 2023
https://justthenews.com/accountability/whistleblowers/whistleblower-says-cia-officials-were-paid-change-view-covid
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We need a middle finger emoji. ::)
Francis Collins: Lab Leak Is NOT a Conspiracy Theory
DAVID STROM
January 16, 2024
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/01/16/francis-collins-lab-leak-is-not-a-conspiracy-theory-n605370
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The lab leak theory legitimizes Covid.
I understand that people want to believe that something, anything about Covid was legit but the entire thing was a currency devaluation scam from soup to nuts.
Even if there was an accident in the lab. That doesn’t mean the entire world was infected because of it.
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We need a middle finger emoji. ::)
Francis Collins: Lab Leak Is NOT a Conspiracy Theory
DAVID STROM
January 16, 2024
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/01/16/francis-collins-lab-leak-is-not-a-conspiracy-theory-n605370
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Anyone who believes Covid came from anywhere other than a research lab is just dumb. Fauci is a criminal, lock him up!
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;D
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Anyone who believes Covid came from anywhere other than a research lab is just dumb. Fauci is a criminal, lock him up!
This.
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The lab leak theory legitimizes Covid.
I understand that people want to believe that something, anything about Covid was legit but the entire thing was a currency devaluation scam from soup to nuts.
Even if there was an accident in the lab. That doesn’t mean the entire world was infected because of it.
It sure seemed like it. Combine that with the mandatory closure of so many small businesses and the resulting business closing because they went bankrupt. It looks like a play by large corps.
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The lab leak theory legitimizes Covid.
I understand that people want to believe that something, anything about Covid was legit but the entire thing was a currency devaluation scam from soup to nuts.
Even if there was an accident in the lab. That doesn’t mean the entire world was infected because of it.
Apparently, no one ever informed you that today's world is a small world. Roughly 100,000 commercial flights take off and land every day all over the globe. If the average length of a flight is two hours; this means that six million people fly somewhere every day. See how small it is? According to Cruise Lines International Association between 2018 and 2019, cruise lines had a total of 30 million international passengers.
COVID-19 first emerged in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Cases were detected in most countries worldwide by March 11, 2020, only 3 months later. If 6 million people flew somewhere each day between December and March, in about 90 days this amounts to about 3 billion people. To be fair, international travel reduced by almost 50% during the COVID pandemic because of shutdowns, etc.
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Anyone who believes Covid came from anywhere other than a research lab is just dumb. Fauci is a criminal, lock him up!
This x2
Some brainwashed idiots on here believe what MSM tells as MSM only tells them the truth & facts.
Fucking idiotic 🤡s.
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It sure seemed like it. Combine that with the mandatory closure of so many small businesses and the resulting business closing because they went bankrupt. It looks like a play by large corps.
The shutdowns were way to prevent too much money from getting into the system too quickly and possibly trigger a worldwide hyperinflation.
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The shutdowns were way to prevent too much money from getting into the system too quickly and possibly trigger a worldwide hyperinflation.
How do you mean?
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How do you mean?
Central Banks around the world printed trillions. Had it circulated through the system too fast prices would’ve skyrocketed. Even with the shutdowns we’ve seen some pretty dramatic price inflation.
But by slowing down the economy they were able to feed the newly created money into the system more slowly.
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ORIGINS OF COVID: NEW DOCUMENTS STRONGLY SUGGEST LAB LEAK
February 2, 2024
By Tracy Beanz & Michelle Edwards
https://thehighwire.com/editorial/origins-of-covid-new-documents-strongly-suggest-lab-leak/
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ORIGINS OF COVID: NEW DOCUMENTS STRONGLY SUGGEST LAB LEAK
February 2, 2024
By Tracy Beanz & Michelle Edwards
https://thehighwire.com/editorial/origins-of-covid-new-documents-strongly-suggest-lab-leak/
Fauci funded and responsible for millions of deaths! Lock him up!
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We need a middle finger emoji. ::)
Francis Collins: Lab Leak Is NOT a Conspiracy Theory
DAVID STROM
January 16, 2024
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/01/16/francis-collins-lab-leak-is-not-a-conspiracy-theory-n605370
(https://i.etsystatic.com/37337950/r/il/5229a9/4845742641/il_794xN.4845742641_3c3z.jpg)
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Scientist claims ‘smoking gun’ evidence COVID-19 intentionally created by researchers in Chinese lab
By Ronny Reyes
Published Feb. 29, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/world-news/scientists-may-have-started-the-covid-pandemic-article/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost
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Scientist claims ‘smoking gun’ evidence COVID-19 intentionally created by researchers in Chinese lab
By Ronny Reyes
Published Feb. 29, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/world-news/scientists-may-have-started-the-covid-pandemic-article/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost
No surprise
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The Lie of the Century: The Origin of COVID-19
By Jeff M. Smith
https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2024/05/01/the_lie_of_the_century_the_origin_of_covid-19_1028687.html
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Scientist claims ‘smoking gun’ evidence COVID-19 intentionally created by researchers in Chinese lab
By Ronny Reyes
Published Feb. 29, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/world-news/scientists-may-have-started-the-covid-pandemic-article/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost
Yep as expected- Khvnts 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Why the Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab, in 5 Key Points
By Alina Chan
Dr. Chan is a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of M.I.T. and Harvard, and a co-author of “Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid-19.”
June 3, 2024
https://archive.is/cEv0Y#selection-405.0-463.12
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Something is seriously wrong with this man.
Fauci ripped over new paper criticizing Trump on coronavirus, promoting natural origin theory: 'Embarrassment'
Fauci's paper was published in the Clinical and Infectious Diseases journal earlier this week
By Andrew Mark Miller Fox News
Published November 30, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-ripped-over-new-paper-criticizing-trump-on-coronavirus-promoting-natural-origin-theory-embarrassment
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Something is seriously wrong with this man.
Fauci ripped over new paper criticizing Trump on coronavirus, promoting natural origin theory: 'Embarrassment'
Fauci's paper was published in the Clinical and Infectious Diseases journal earlier this week
By Andrew Mark Miller Fox News
Published November 30, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-ripped-over-new-paper-criticizing-trump-on-coronavirus-promoting-natural-origin-theory-embarrassment
I sure hope the new DOJ can go after this little weasel.
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Fraudci's a lying weasel, who helped setup this plandemic, while his ugly wife and her company profited greatly from peoples suffering and death.
Needs to be strung up and quartered...
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It's the end of the world as we know it...starting Jan 21st, 2025.
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New CIA boss Ratcliffe says Biden-era report backing lab-leak theory released to 'restore' trust
CIA spokesperson previously told Fox News the agency made the assessment with 'low confidence'
By Taylor Penley Fox News
Published January 26, 2025
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-cia-boss-ratcliffe-says-biden-era-report-backing-lab-leak-theory-released-restore-trust
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Now we know why Fauci wanted a pardon.
CIA whistleblower James Erdman reveals Anthony Fauci ‘influenced’ COVID origins intel probe as part of lab leak ‘cover-up’
By Josh Christenson
Published May 13, 2026
https://nypost.com/2026/05/13/us-news/cia-whistleblower-ided-as-james-erdman-iii-in-dramatic-reveal-at-rand-paul-covid-origins-hearing/
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Erdman is a former intelligence officer and military veteran who co-founded the grassroots advocacy group Feds for Freedom, an organization that emerged during the COVID-19 vaccine mandate battles involving federal workers and members of the military. He has a long history of clashing with the government on the coronavirus issue.
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Erdman is a former intelligence officer and military veteran who co-founded the grassroots advocacy group Feds for Freedom, an organization that emerged during the COVID-19 vaccine mandate battles involving federal workers and members of the military. He has a long history of clashing with the government on the coronavirus issue.
Good.
They fucked up immeasurably.
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Good.
They fucked up immeasurably.
I know you're not saying this, but calling it a f-up sounds like they just made mistakes. Some of this stuff was intentional. Sinister.
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Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
INFURIATING: Not a SINGLE SENATE DEMOCRAT showed up to the committee hearing with a CIA whistleblower EXPOSING the deep state COVID cover-up
Democrats are STILL partaking in the cover-up.
NEVER forget that Democrats hate you.
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2054579783070056885
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Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
INFURIATING: Not a SINGLE SENATE DEMOCRAT showed up to the committee hearing with a CIA whistleblower EXPOSING the deep state COVID cover-up
Democrats are STILL partaking in the cover-up.
NEVER forget that Democrats hate you.
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2054579783070056885
Love how if they don't want to show up to work they just don't and nothing happens.
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I know you're not saying this, but calling it a f-up sounds like they just made mistakes. Some of this stuff was intentional. Sinister.
Oh yes, agreed.
Paul Offit all but confirmed this.
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So what is the far rights contention here?
That it was made in china, unleashed purposely by the democrats to kill people and profit off the vaccine? Or is there a more elaborate narrative.
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I know you're not saying this, but calling it a f-up sounds like they just made mistakes. Some of this stuff was intentional. Sinister.
All about control. That's what liberals want. To control your movements, feelings, thoughts, actions...they are obsessed with controlling everyone's emotions and actions except their own.
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All about control. That's what liberals want. To control your movements, feelings, thoughts, actions...they are obsessed with controlling everyone's emotions and actions except their own.
That would be authoritarian which is a right leaning principle. I would agree the extreme left want that but no reasonable person wants what you are saying. I have met like 3 trans folks in my life and all of them were reasonable people.
Regardless,
They were willing to potentially die as well to gain control over everyone and colluded with china to make this come about?
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So what is the far rights contention here?
That it was made in china, unleashed purposely by the democrats to kill people and profit off the vaccine? Or is there a more elaborate narrative.
I'm not far right, but I believe it originated at the lab, we were doing gain of function research, and it got out somehow. How I don't know, or if there was intent.
My issue is more that the lab leak theory was demonized, and youtube channels and the like demonetized folks who discussed it.
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I'm not far right, but I believe it originated at the lab, we were doing gain of function research, and it got out somehow. How I don't know, or if there was intent.
My issue is more that the lab leak theory was demonized, and youtube channels and the like demonetized folks who discussed it.
If it was intentional it would be odd that it was under Trumps watch, I am sure he would have been part of it if that was the case.
I can buy that it got out which would explain the panic as they knew how bad it was and what it could morph into.
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Love how if they don't want to show up to work they just don't and nothing happens.
I feel the same way about all elected Congress people, including Republicans, who have done their share of not showing up for work.
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If it was intentional it would be odd that it was under Trumps watch, I am sure he would have been part of it if that was the case.
I can buy that it got out which would explain the panic as they knew how bad it was and what it could morph into.
Well, I always half wondered if it was a warning shot across the bow to Trump from China.
But if you're saying Trump was in on it, you're out of your fucking gourd.
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I'm not far right, but I believe it originated at the lab, we were doing gain of function research, and it got out somehow. How I don't know, or if there was intent.
My issue is more that the lab leak theory was demonized, and youtube channels and the like demonetized folks who discussed it.
Imagine being a full grown adult and not having enough common sense to recognize that covid was built and then released from a lab. ;D
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I feel the same way about all elected Congress people, including Republicans, who have done their share of not showing up for work.
This is another reason why we need term limits
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Love how if they don't want to show up to work they just don't and nothing happens.
It's terrible. Never any consequences.
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I'm not far right, but I believe it originated at the lab, we were doing gain of function research, and it got out somehow. How I don't know, or if there was intent.
My issue is more that the lab leak theory was demonized, and youtube channels and the like demonetized folks who discussed it.
Neither is Rand Paul.
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Imagine being a full grown adult and not having enough common sense to recognize that covid was built and then released from a lab. ;D
Maybe he's too smart to recognize it?
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This is another reason why we need term limits
We absolutely do.
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All about control. That's what liberals want. To control your movements, feelings, thoughts, actions...they are obsessed with controlling everyone's emotions and actions except their own.
Definitely working on you :D
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Well, I always half wondered if it was a warning shot across the bow to Trump from China.
But if you're saying Trump was in on it, you're out of your fucking gourd.
I am not, saying the democrats caused it while trump was in power is equally retarded.
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Imagine being a full grown adult and not having enough common sense to recognize that covid was built and then released from a lab. ;D
I just don't buy things that are expedient for my ideology no matter how much I want to believe it. You literally think democrats released the virus (from china lol) while trump was in power so they could control you. Meanwhile the restrictions were lifted while a demo was in power. You lack good sense.
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Definitely working on you :D
Bro is literally an automaton. ffs they think a book written eons ago by some retards is the truth. The book has slavery, rape, and stoning of people for petty crimes amongst other retarded things.
Imagine if they thought for themselves. Obviously odin is the one true god and democrats caused the chinese leak of the virus in wuhan. Seems reasonable. I mean they must have been completely immune to it (but vaccines are a scam of course). Their family and friends could of died but they wanted you to stay indoors so it was worth it.
It's the big pharma has the cure for cancer but doesn't want you guys to have it because it makes them profit not to cure you. Everything is black and white! its common sense of course.
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This is another reason why we need term limits
Term limits, max age limit and voter ID would help straighten many issues out.
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Imagine being a full grown adult and not having enough common sense to recognize that covid was built and then released from a lab. ;D
Just imagine. However, consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin.
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Term limits, max age limit and voter ID would help straighten many issues out.
Agreed.
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Just imagine. However, consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin.
But they have links from alex jones level folks that say differently! The dems did it!
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But they have links from alex jones level folks that say differently! The dems did it!
No No No The DummyCraps didnt do it - It was far to well planned
& executed for that bunch of Idiots to have done it.
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I am not, saying the democrats caused it while trump was in power is equally retarded.
I never said that, nor have even heard that theory. Yes, that would be retarded.
I was responding to you saying Trump "could be in on it".
More and more is being uncovered - censorship, downplaying natural immunity, not be honest about side effects, demonetization, etc.....
The whole "well the information we had changed" excuse is not going to cut it.
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I never said that, nor have even heard that theory. Yes, that would be retarded.
I was responding to you saying Trump "could be in on it".
More and more is being uncovered - censorship, downplaying natural immunity, not be honest about side effects, demonetization, etc.....
The whole "well the information we had changed" excuse is not going to cut it.
I was joking. He clearly wasn't in on it, he was making one poor prognostication after another in fact. Then got off on the daily attention of conferences where he did nothing but stoke fear and say ridiculous things.
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I was joking. He clearly wasn't in on it, he was making one poor prognostication after another in fact. Then got off on the daily attention of conferences where he did nothing but stoke fear and say ridiculous things.
I was very disappointed the way he handled Covid.
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Just imagine. However, consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin.
What consensus??
That virus came from a lab.
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What consensus??
That virus came from a lab.
Not yours.
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Not yours.
One person isn't a consensus. What consensus are you talking about?
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One person isn't a consensus. What consensus are you talking about?
https://www.who.int/news/item/27-06-2025-who-scientific-advisory-group-issues-report-on-origins-of-covid-19
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9874793/
pretty thorough paper on the subject, weighing all sides. Purely scientific, not from the news or partisan puppets.
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What kind of retard uses a 4 year old paper funded by the government? Same people that helped develop the virus. LOL nothing to see here!!
And still they left behind hints in their paid for "findings".
Even though laboratory accidents cannot entirely be ruled out, it can be deduced from the current research that the emergence of SARS‐CoV‐2 likely stemmed from natural adaptation.
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What kind of retard uses a 4 year old paper funded by the government? Same people that helped develop the virus. LOL nothing to see here!!
And still they left behind hints in their paid for "findings".
Yes thats the fucking point, they weighed all the options you clown. They are partisan like your sources of information. LOL. This is called nuance and never being 100% certain. It's bayesian probability. Look at the stats used, nevermind, you don't understand them.
There is no convincing you of anything, you already know.
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Tell us you lick the government boot without saying you lick the government boot. LOL dumbass
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One person isn't a consensus. What consensus are you talking about?
In your view, how many people are needed to reach consensus? Would you agree that, technically, consensus can exist with as few as two people? It can also refer to a broader or more general agreement. Were you looking for a more formal consensus?
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Typically, a group size of around twelve people is considered optimal for reaching consensus effectively, as larger groups can complicate the process.
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Typically, a group size of around twelve people is considered optimal for reaching consensus effectively, as larger groups can complicate the process.
This is the approximate number of folks sitting at the bargaining table in the multiple contract negotiations I participated in on behalf of Classified employees for many years. We liked to think reaching consensus as "getting to yes." Yes, being an agreed upon acceptable contract between the district (management representing the school board), and Union officers who represented Classified employees. If I remember correctly, there was only one contract negotiation requiring a moderator and we still did not reach consensus until we picked the district during a board meeting in front of the administration offices.
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What kind of retard uses a 4 year old paper funded by the government? Same people that helped develop the virus. LOL nothing to see here!!
And still they left behind hints in their paid for "findings".
lol. You actually read it? I bet he didn't. :)
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In your view, how many people are needed to reach consensus? Would you agree that, technically, consensus can exist with as few as two people? It can also refer to a broader or more general agreement. Were you looking for a more formal consensus?
Your questions don't really have anything to do with this context. We're not talking about two people. Or a handful of people. The context is the entire medical and scientific community.
I don't know where you got your consensus comment, which is why I asked. There is very clear evidence that this virus came from a lab.
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Typically, a group size of around twelve people is considered optimal for reaching consensus effectively, as larger groups can complicate the process.
Do you really want to embarrass yourself again with this? last time you couldn't even read the paper nor understand what it said. I posted the paper and you post a line from the abstract as a gotcha when I clearly said it weighed multiple sides.
Come on man, show some intelligence.
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Tell us you lick the government boot without saying you lick the government boot. LOL dumbass
You are dumb and unfortunately in a cult it appears.
The W in WHO stands for world ftr.
Bro trusts pundits getting paid by the very same government over experts in the field from across the globe. Brilliant!! Thinks the democrats unleased the virus which has been categorized as zoonotic 100s of times in many variants to control us. The nations across the world- autocracies, dictatorships all bowed to the democrats wishes LOL
LOL. I gotta stop posting on here, it's making me dumber just interacting with these folks.
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lol. You actually read it? I bet he didn't. :)
I read enough to see that only a moron would post that and think it reaffirmed his point of view.
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I read enough to see that only a moron would post that and think it reaffirmed his point of view.
Nice one, I see you guys are trauma bonding again.
Imagine weighing both sides. You ever do that except at the buffet?
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Your questions don't really have anything to do with this context. We're not talking about two people. Or a handful of people. The context is the entire medical and scientific community.
I don't know where you got your consensus comment, which is why I asked. There is very clear evidence that this virus came from a lab.
I initiated this context -- not you. Therefore, whether my questions have anything to do with what 'this context' is, is not for you to determine.
Just imagine. However, consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin.
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I read enough to see that only a moron would post that and think it reaffirmed his point of view.
He is a legend in his own mind. Very entertaining though. :)
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I initiated this context -- not you. Therefore, whether my questions have anything to do with what 'this context' is, is not for you to determine.
You mentioned consensus. Then you tried to limit consensus to some irrelevant context involving a handful of people. You are obviously free to do that, but it doesn’t make any sense in this context (so to speak).
And the real issue is whether this virus came from a lab. I frankly don’t care what the consensus is, because so many people in powerful positions outright lied to us, repeatedly, during the pandemic.
As I’ve said, this virus came from a lab. Hard to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.
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You mentioned consensus. Then you tried to limit consensus to some irrelevant context involving a handful of people. You are obviously free to do that, but it doesn’t make any sense in this context (so to speak).
And the real issue is whether this virus came from a lab. I frankly don’t care what the consensus is, because so many people in powerful positions outright lied to us, repeatedly, during the pandemic.
As I’ve said, this virus came from a lab. Hard to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on the evidence.
Not that you should care about the consensus, that you don't care what the consensus is reveals a great deal about how you process information. I understand that it is hard for you to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on what you consider to be solid evidence to support it. Most people want to be right. Almost nobody wants to be wrong. This is just human nature.
Unlike you, I do not know whether COVID came from a lab or was spread, humans via zoonosis or both (which seems likely to me). What I do know is that it was a worldwide, devasting pandemic, and that the virus continues to exist, and people continue to die from it.
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Not that you should care about the consensus, that you don't care what the consensus is reveals a great deal about how you process information. I understand that it is hard for you to reach any other reasonable conclusion based on what you consider to be solid evidence to support it. Most people want to be right. Almost nobody wants to be wrong. This is just human nature.
Unlike you, I do not know whether COVID came from a lab or was spread, humans via zoonosis or both (which seems likely to me). What I do know is that it was a worldwide, devasting pandemic, and that the virus continues to exist, and people continue to die from it.
I make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense. Using those three, it is fairly easy to understand that this virus came from a lab.
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I make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense. Using those three, it is fairly easy to understand that this virus came from a lab.
You believe you make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense. This does not guarantee that your decisions are always correct.
Have you ever considered that two things can be true at the same time? In this case, that the COVID virus could have accidentally leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology but also because of natural zoonotic transmission?
I previously mentioned consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin. You asked what consensus. One would hope that to conclude that the COVID pandemic is the result of the Wuhan lab leak you would have investigated other possibilities and therefore known that the leading consensus among major health organizations, including the World Health Organization is that COVID is of zoonotic origin. Zoonotic spillover is also the consensus of the scientific community at large.
COVID is a virus like SARS, MERS, and Ebola, and the vast majority of emerging infectious diseases in human history are zoonotic. The virus "Monkeypox" or Mpox was first identified in captive monkeys used for research in 1958. But there are also many viruses resulting from accidental laboratory escapes, such as the Russian Flu and the Marburg virus, and many other viruses.
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The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?
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The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?
My post allows for the COVID virus to be both a lab leak and a zoonotic origin.
Technically and by definition (consensus means absolute agreement), and therefore it cannot be split except in computer science and game theory. When consensus cannot be reached, it becomes
a majority rule, a split decision, or a deadlock.
The term "consensus" is frequently misused to describe a simple majority.
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You believe you make decisions based on facts, evidence, and common sense. This does not guarantee that your decisions are always correct.
Have you ever considered that two things can be true at the same time? In this case, that the COVID virus could have accidentally leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology but also because of natural zoonotic transmission?
I previously mentioned consensus generally favors a natural zoonotic origin. You asked what consensus. One would hope that to conclude that the COVID pandemic is the result of the Wuhan lab leak you would have investigated other possibilities and therefore known that the leading consensus among major health organizations, including the World Health Organization is that COVID is of zoonotic origin. Zoonotic spillover is also the consensus of the scientific community at large.
COVID is a virus like SARS, MERS, and Ebola, and the vast majority of emerging infectious diseases in human history are zoonotic. The virus "Monkeypox" or Mpox was first identified in captive monkeys used for research in 1958. But there are also many viruses resulting from accidental laboratory escapes, such as the Russian Flu and the Marburg virus, and many other viruses.
I don't "believe" that I make decisions based facts, evidence, and common sense. That's literally what I do. I follow the facts wherever they lead. And I've said things on this board that probably everyone at some point has disagreed with.
I've never said I'm always correct. I'm not. That is a straw man. I've been wrong about a lot of things. I change my mind all the time. Like about Trump. I devoted an entire thread to tracking how badly I thought he would lose in 2016, using the fact that the majority of primary votes went to other candidates. And we see how that prediction turned out.
Regarding Covid, why would you place any stock in the "consensus" when they were so incredibly dishonest and so wrong about the pandemic? I knew nothing about pandemics before Covid. When I started listening to the unbiased experts, I learned so much. And a lot of what I learned conflicted with the "consensus."
A refresher:
- Fauci treated Covid the same way he treated HIV and AIDS when it first developed. Do you remember how he and the "consensus" tried to tell us it was not a gay disease and that everyone had the same risk? That was a lie. Just like with Covid, there was a discreet group of people at risk: people having gay/anal sex, intravenous drug users, people getting blood transfusions, and people with third world health immune systems.
- They did the same thing with Covid. Covid (as a deadly virus) targeted discreet groups: the elderly with comorbidites, the obese, and immuno-comprmised people. It was lethal for those groups. For everyone else, it was largely like the cold or flu. My first clue that we were overstating the risk was when the study first came out in Italy (?) where the average age of people dying was over 80. Then the people dying here early on were in nursing homes.
- The "consensus" cooked the books regarding the death toll, where people who died "with" Covid were listed as dying "from" Covid.
- I learned that kids are not effective transmitters of the virus and do not get seriously ill or die from it. Minuscule numbers. So we should have never shut down the schools.
- I learned that when a virus is out in the community, lockdowns are ineffective. So we should not have shut down the country, even though the "consensus" said we should. Remember 14 days to slow the spread?
- I learned that natural immunity was as or more effective than the vaccines, despite what the "consensus" said.
- I learned that the lockdowns interfered with herd immunity, which actually made the pandemic last longer.
- I listened while people from the CDC, to talking heads, to the POTUS lied to us and said the vaccines would stop the spread of the virus.
- I heard Facui and the "consensus" tell us that masks would stop the spread of the virus. Wrong.
- I watched while they tried to force essentially the entire country to take an experimental vaccine, when that vaccine neither stopped you from catching nor spreading the virus.
- I heard the "consensus" tell us that six feet of social distancing was required and based on science, only to later learn that they pulled six feet out of their rear end, that effective social distancing was more like about 30 feet, and they picked 6 because it would be easier to sell to the public.
- I saw how Fauci and his gangsters tried to censor anything that contradicted their narrative. And now we see exactly why he wanted a pardon.
There is more, but given this, why in God's name would I give any credence to the "consensus"?
I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at the consensus, but you still have to think for yourself and see if what they are saying makes sennse. For example, a friend of mine who actually recently passed away was mad at me during the pandemic because she said that we had a crisis in Hawaii with Covid patients being quarantined, taking up hospital space, and that we only had about 500 ventilators in the entire state. (Her husband is a doctor.). When I asked how many Covid patients are actually using ventilators, she lost her mind, started telling me "you're not a doctor," etc. I said: "yeah, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night." That didn't go over too well. ;D. The point was: how could the limited number of ventilators be a crisis unless they were actually being monopolized by Covid patients.
But I digress. If you actually look at the evidence and think about this logically it's hard to come any other reasonable conclusion.
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The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?
One of things that convinced me this came from the lab--that was actually doing gain of function research a few miles from the outbreak--was the science behind how contagious the virus was at the inception of the outbreak. Viruses that jump from animals to humans have to go through various stages before they become deadly to humans. This virus came out of the gate deadly, skipping the progression that happens in pretty much every other jump from animals to humans. There is a lot of other evidence, but that was the strongest piece to me.
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The consensus is split and recognizes the possibility of a lab leak. Why don't these idiots accept that?
It is not, that's simply a fact. Did you not read the paper which went through the various arguments and rationale?
How would you or dos equis even attempt to understand the data? you have zero background in the subject yet think you are able to evaluate the literature? your assertions are based on spurious links and leaps of logic that make no sense based on faulty reasoning because you don't understand the subject. It's like me trying to determine if the dominion machines were tampered with. I have no idea as I do not have a basic understanding of the machines, how they work, the software etc.. when it went to court experts proved that they weren't, therefore, fox was ordered to pay them.
The largest organizations in the world believe that the probability based on the available evidence is that it was zoonotic. Obviously you can't be 100% certain on matters like this and its truly epidemiological in essence.
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I don't "believe" that I make decisions based facts, evidence, and common sense. That's literally what I do. I follow the facts wherever they lead. And I've said things on this board that probably everyone at some point has disagreed with.
I've never said I'm always correct. I'm not. That is a straw man. I've been wrong about a lot of things. I change my mind all the time. Like about Trump. I devoted an entire thread to tracking how badly I thought he would lose in 2016, using the fact that the majority of primary votes went to other candidates. And we see how that prediction turned out.
Regarding Covid, why would you place any stock in the "consensus" when they were so incredibly dishonest and so wrong about the pandemic? I knew nothing about pandemics before Covid. When I started listening to the unbiased experts, I learned so much. And a lot of what I learned conflicted with the "consensus."
A refresher:
- Fauci treated Covid the same way he treated HIV and AIDS when it first developed. Do you remember how he and the "consensus" tried to tell us it was not a gay disease and that everyone had the same risk? That was a lie. Just like with Covid, there was a discreet group of people at risk: people having gay/anal sex, intravenous drug users, people getting blood transfusions, and people with third world health immune systems.
- They did the same thing with Covid. Covid (as a deadly virus) targeted discreet groups: the elderly with comorbidites, the obese, and immuno-comprmised people. It was lethal for those groups. For everyone else, it was largely like the cold or flu. My first clue that we were overstating the risk was when the study first came out in Italy (?) where the average age of people dying was over 80. Then the people dying here early on were in nursing homes.
- The "consensus" cooked the books regarding the death toll, where people who died "with" Covid were listed as dying "from" Covid.
- I learned that kids are not effective transmitters of the virus and do not get seriously ill or die from it. Minuscule numbers. So we should have never shut down the schools.
- I learned that when a virus is out in the community, lockdowns are ineffective. So we should not have shut down the country, even though the "consensus" said we should. Remember 14 days to slow the spread?
- I learned that natural immunity was as or more effective than the vaccines, despite what the "consensus" said.
- I learned that the lockdowns interfered with herd immunity, which actually made the pandemic last longer.
- I listened while people from the CDC, to talking heads, to the POTUS lied to us and said the vaccines would stop the spread of the virus.
- I heard Facui and the "consensus" tell us that masks would stop the spread of the virus. Wrong.
- I watched while they tried to force essentially the entire country to take an experimental vaccine, when that vaccine neither stopped you from catching nor spreading the virus.
- I heard the "consensus" tell us that six feet of social distancing was required and based on science, only to later learn that they pulled six feet out of their rear end, that effective social distancing was more like about 30 feet, and they picked 6 because it would be easier to sell to the public.
- I saw how Fauci and his gangsters tried to censor anything that contradicted their narrative. And now we see exactly why he wanted a pardon.
There is more, but given this, why in God's name would I give any credence to the "consensus"?
I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at the consensus, but you still have to think for yourself and see if what they are saying makes sennse. For example, a friend of mine who actually recently passed away was mad at me during the pandemic because she said that we had a crisis in Hawaii with Covid patients being quarantined, taking up hospital space, and that we only had about 500 ventilators in the entire state. (Her husband is a doctor.). When I asked how many Covid patients are actually using ventilators, she lost her mind, started telling me "you're not a doctor," etc. I said: "yeah, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night." That didn't go over too well. ;D. The point was: how could the limited number of ventilators be a crisis unless they were actually being monopolized by Covid patients.
But I digress. If you actually look at the evidence and think about this logically it's hard to come any other reasonable conclusion.
LOL
extensive genomic analysis shows no signs of engineering, there are several hallmarks.
Covid has been around for a long time, many variations, the jump from animals to humans is exactly how other viruses emerged and were more lethal- ebola, HIV, sars etc etc..
There goes two of your "arguments"
I died at the HIV argument, well done.
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One of things that convinced me this came from the lab--that was actually doing gain of function research a few miles from the outbreak--was the science behind how contagious the virus was at the inception of the outbreak. Viruses that jump from animals to humans have to go through various stages before they become deadly to humans. This virus came out of the gate deadly, skipping the progression that happens in pretty much every other jump from animals to humans. There is a lot of other evidence, but that was the strongest piece to me.
Every study and paper written leaves open the possibility of lab leak, no matter how hard the study tries to tie it to animal/human transmission. They all slip a line or two in there about lab leak being a possibility. Some people are too stupid to understand what that means.
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One of things that convinced me this came from the lab--that was actually doing gain of function research a few miles from the outbreak--was the science behind how contagious the virus was at the inception of the outbreak. Viruses that jump from animals to humans have to go through various stages before they become deadly to humans. This virus came out of the gate deadly, skipping the progression that happens in pretty much every other jump from animals to humans. There is a lot of other evidence, but that was the strongest piece to me.
& in my opinion it was leaked on purpose
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i´ve posted this before & porton Down was a Lab for Germ warfare in the UK,
experiments were carried out on live persons too, sometimes without their knowledge.
I remember when i was in the Army they asked for volunteers for experiments at Porton Down offering extra pay & leave
one idiot was going to do it untill we stopped him, we called him Speedy ;D
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Every study and paper written leaves open the possibility of lab leak, no matter how hard the study tries to tie it to animal/human transmission. They all slip a line or two in there about lab leak being a possibility. Some people are too stupid to understand what that means.
Thats how studies work, you seem to think this is a special case. Unless they are doing double blinded placebo control one has to avoid post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies as they are correlations.
The evidence overwhelmingly points to zoonotic origin, it could never be 100% sure and scientists unlike lay folks think in nuance. The point of science is to falsify it.
They also do statistics like probability and linear regression analysis to weigh multiple variables and ascertain strength- again zoonotic seems most obvious based on the data.
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The most intensely scrutinized genetic feature is something called a furin cleavage site, a small insertion in the spike protein that helps the virus enter human cells efficiently. SARS-CoV-2 has a unique four-unit insertion at a critical junction in its spike protein that no other known virus in its family (sarbecoviruses) possesses. Similar features exist in other, more distantly related coronaviruses like MERS, so the structure itself isn’t biologically impossible through natural evolution. But its appearance in SARS-CoV-2 is unusual enough to draw attention from both camps.
Some scientists note that this insertion uses a specific genetic spelling (a CGG-CGG codon pair) that appears with only about 5% frequency in similar viruses, making some researchers argue it looks engineered. Others counter that rare codons do occur naturally and that evolution produces unexpected outcomes all the time. Critically, researchers have pointed out that the techniques used in coronavirus research could produce modifications “practically indistinguishable from a rare coronavirus with a naturally emerging” cleavage site. In other words, if someone did insert it in a lab, there might be no way to tell from the genome alone.
Why a Lab Leak Remains Plausible
The Wuhan Institute of Virology, located roughly 10 miles from the Huanan market, housed one of the world’s largest collections of bat coronaviruses and was actively studying them. Researchers there had collected samples from bat caves across southern China, including the cave where RaTG13 was found, and had published research on engineering chimeric coronaviruses to study their potential to infect human cells. A 2018 grant proposal from the institute’s U.S. collaborators described plans to insert furin cleavage sites into SARS-related coronaviruses, though there is no public evidence that this specific work was carried out.
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I don't "believe" that I make decisions based facts, evidence, and common sense. That's literally what I do. I follow the facts wherever they lead. And I've said things on this board that probably everyone at some point has disagreed with.
I've never said I'm always correct. I'm not. That is a straw man. I've been wrong about a lot of things. I change my mind all the time. Like about Trump. I devoted an entire thread to tracking how badly I thought he would lose in 2016, using the fact that the majority of primary votes went to other candidates. And we see how that prediction turned out.
Regarding Covid, why would you place any stock in the "consensus" when they were so incredibly dishonest and so wrong about the pandemic? I knew nothing about pandemics before Covid. When I started listening to the unbiased experts, I learned so much. And a lot of what I learned conflicted with the "consensus."
A refresher:
- Fauci treated Covid the same way he treated HIV and AIDS when it first developed. Do you remember how he and the "consensus" tried to tell us it was not a gay disease and that everyone had the same risk? That was a lie. Just like with Covid, there was a discreet group of people at risk: people having gay/anal sex, intravenous drug users, people getting blood transfusions, and people with third world health immune systems.
- They did the same thing with Covid. Covid (as a deadly virus) targeted discreet groups: the elderly with comorbidites, the obese, and immuno-comprmised people. It was lethal for those groups. For everyone else, it was largely like the cold or flu. My first clue that we were overstating the risk was when the study first came out in Italy (?) where the average age of people dying was over 80. Then the people dying here early on were in nursing homes.
- The "consensus" cooked the books regarding the death toll, where people who died "with" Covid were listed as dying "from" Covid.
- I learned that kids are not effective transmitters of the virus and do not get seriously ill or die from it. Minuscule numbers. So we should have never shut down the schools.
- I learned that when a virus is out in the community, lockdowns are ineffective. So we should not have shut down the country, even though the "consensus" said we should. Remember 14 days to slow the spread?
- I learned that natural immunity was as or more effective than the vaccines, despite what the "consensus" said.
- I learned that the lockdowns interfered with herd immunity, which actually made the pandemic last longer.
- I listened while people from the CDC, to talking heads, to the POTUS lied to us and said the vaccines would stop the spread of the virus.
- I heard Facui and the "consensus" tell us that masks would stop the spread of the virus. Wrong.
- I watched while they tried to force essentially the entire country to take an experimental vaccine, when that vaccine neither stopped you from catching nor spreading the virus.
- I heard the "consensus" tell us that six feet of social distancing was required and based on science, only to later learn that they pulled six feet out of their rear end, that effective social distancing was more like about 30 feet, and they picked 6 because it would be easier to sell to the public.
- I saw how Fauci and his gangsters tried to censor anything that contradicted their narrative. And now we see exactly why he wanted a pardon.
There is more, but given this, why in God's name would I give any credence to the "consensus"?
I don't think there is anything wrong with looking at the consensus, but you still have to think for yourself and see if what they are saying makes sennse. For example, a friend of mine who actually recently passed away was mad at me during the pandemic because she said that we had a crisis in Hawaii with Covid patients being quarantined, taking up hospital space, and that we only had about 500 ventilators in the entire state. (Her husband is a doctor.). When I asked how many Covid patients are actually using ventilators, she lost her mind, started telling me "you're not a doctor," etc. I said: "yeah, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night." That didn't go over too well. ;D. The point was: how could the limited number of ventilators be a crisis unless they were actually being monopolized by Covid patients.
But I digress. If you actually look at the evidence and think about this logically it's hard to come any other reasonable conclusion.
I noticed that of all things you learned about COVID, you did not mention that you learned and decided that the COVID virus came from a Wuhan Lab leak and not zoonosis. I thought that is what we were discussing.
We were also discussing consensus. A consensus is a general or widespread agreement among a group of people. People can agree about something or reach consensus and they can be wrong.
The commonalities with the initial reaction to the COVID and HIV viruses could be applied to all new diseases/viruses especially when they reach pandemic proportions. You are correct, the so called "experts" got many things about this pandemic wrong, this is to be expected. They and the public worldwide likely over-reacted to the COVID virus. For many folks, the overreaction was the result of fear of the unknown. Most people believe it is better to be safe than sorry. This is entirely normal. evolutionary psychology, human biology, and sociology all explain why people disproportionately overreact to unknown health threats.
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So much for that
"SARS-CoV-2 has continued to evolve as it moves through the population, and we have learned more about its pathogenicity and transmission determinants. As previously commented in The Lancet Microbe, one of these determinants is the unusual furin cleavage site (FCS) on its spike protein.1 While it has been proposed that the FCS might have been engineered, it is becoming clearer that natural selection is, in fact, the driving factor in its acquisition and functionality, through recombination and epistasis.
Central to this concept is the highly dynamic molecular nature of the SARS-CoV-2 spike, which is synthesised as a trimer with its three receptor (ACE2)-binding domains initially in a closed conformation. When an FCS is present, the spike encounters the intracellular protease furin on its way out of the cell, which processes and separates the S1 and S2 subdomains, imparting a relaxation in the protein and allowing one or more receptor-binding domains to flip up—the open conformation—markedly increasing receptor engagement and driving the transmissibility of the virus.2 The spike thus reversibly samples its open-trimer conformations and the FCS promotes this, but not exclusively.3 However, this sampling comes at some cost; if there are too many “up” domains the spike becomes unstable, which poses a problem as the virus can now shed S1 and lose transmissibility. The virus therefore exists in a transmission window, but its FCS has functionally stayed in place—as for Leigh Van Valen's so-called Red Queen hypothesis—through sequence changes elsewhere in the spike. For SARS-CoV-2, the best known of these changes was D614G, which arose and became embedded within lineage B just a few months after the initial outbreak. 614G markedly increases infectivity and is a “gateway mutation” upon which all the specific FCS changes in the variants of concern were built.4 Lineage A viruses seemed to have solved the problem slightly differently (Q613H)—eg, with the A.23.1 variant5—and other gateway mutations have followed suit (H655Y).4 Eight of the latest omicron variants have all three (Q613H, D614G, and H655Y).6 These gateway mutations cooperate epistatically to modulate the problematic FCS.
The FCS problem is well illustrated by the rapidity with which it is often lost upon virus adaptation to cell culture, both through point mutations and deletions.7 In reality, the FCS is not just an on-off switch but is highly regulated, and has in fact been incrementally optimising itself through mutations at the FCS in the major variants of concern—alpha, delta, and omicron—allowing the virus to stay within its transmission window (although in reality easing forward—ie, not quite the “same place” as with the Red Queen).
SARS-CoV-2 is not unique in this regard and many other betacoronaviruses have an FCS that is highly adaptable. Laboratory strains of HCoV-OC43 have point mutations in the FCS, presumably to also gain stability, and as the coronaviruses causing seasonal endemic infections are further explored, there are clear examples of genetic changes that structurally position the flexible FCS loop to better engage its furin activator. This is demonstrated in a genotype I virus with a four amino acid downstream insertion;8 whether this is truly a pathogenesis determinant or a transmission determinant remains to be seen. Recent work on HCoV-HKU1 has also shown the highly dynamic nature of the open-closed conformation of its spike, but in this case with its natural FCS removed for protein expression and the conformational changes regulated by sialoglycan binding.9
The spike is adaptable and the FCS clearly makes a difference, but—in the end—it is no smoking gun."
The thing continued to show adaptations that were novel- were they engineering it in real time? over the months? and releasing each one?
All this is based on a book by two people, which has been discredited
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X23000470?via%3Dihub
these are naturally occurring in bats, furin sites- zoonosis....
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Wow! This is a lot to take in. Most of this information is way, way over my head, but I do understand the basics of the article. At the least, bats played a significant role in spreading the virus.
The truth is, I never much liked bats even though they are a protected species not only in the U.S but in many other countries as well. As best I can remember, I have not seen any bats in the area. And yet they are fairly common in Western Oregon. I have mostly lived in homes that were and are near the Willamette River over the past 60 years. Bats are known to set up roosts in people's attics, especially near bodies of water.
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LOL
extensive genomic analysis shows no signs of engineering, there are several hallmarks.
Covid has been around for a long time, many variations, the jump from animals to humans is exactly how other viruses emerged and were more lethal- ebola, HIV, sars etc etc..
There goes two of your "arguments"
I died at the HIV argument, well done.
I didn't make any arguments. And, unsurprisingly, you don't understand the point about the jump from animals to humans. It's not that the jump doesn't happen. It's that it takes numerous iterations of this jump before it becomes lethal. Covid skipped that process. I learned that by listening to epidemiologists. They know their stuff. You don't.
I don't expect you to understand the HIV info. Were you even alive during that period? Do you know what Fauci was telling the public? These are rhetorical questions, because you repeatedly demonstrate that what you know about subjects being discussed here can fit in a thimble.
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I noticed that of all things you learned about COVID, you did not mention that you learned and decided that the COVID virus came from a Wuhan Lab leak and not zoonosis. I thought that is what we were discussing.
We were also discussing consensus. A consensus is a general or widespread agreement among a group of people. People can agree about something or reach consensus and they can be wrong.
The commonalities with the initial reaction to the COVID and HIV viruses could be applied to all new diseases/viruses especially when they reach pandemic proportions. You are correct, the so called "experts" got many things about this pandemic wrong, this is to be expected. They and the public worldwide likely over-reacted to the COVID virus. For many folks, the overreaction was the result of fear of the unknown. Most people believe it is better to be safe than sorry. This is entirely normal. evolutionary psychology, human biology, and sociology all explain why people disproportionately overreact to unknown health threats.
What I did was explain why I don't care about the "consensus" when it comes to Covid.
This virus came from a lab. That's what the evidence shows. That's what common shows.
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& in my opinion it was leaked on purpose
I actually don't rule that out, although I think it is more likely an accident. The safety protocols in that lab were terrible.
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Every study and paper written leaves open the possibility of lab leak, no matter how hard the study tries to tie it to animal/human transmission. They all slip a line or two in there about lab leak being a possibility. Some people are too stupid to understand what that means.
There are many people unwilling to accept that folks in high-level positions lied to them.
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Liar.
MAZE
@mazemoore
Get the vaccine so you don't transmit the virus to other people.
A year later...
We had no clue if the vaccine stopped transmission. We never even tested for that.
Science. 👌😜
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2058735142844150029
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What I did was explain why I don't care about the "consensus" when it comes to Covid.
This virus came from a lab. That's what the evidence shows. That's what common shows.
BTW, I never stated nor implied that a consensus meant anything other than a general agreement, shared opinion, or collective judgment among a group of people. A group can reach consensus and still be factually wrong. But to be clear, in this case, it is my belief that the consensus got the cause of the COVID pandemic right. You are welcome to believe whatever you want about how COVID came into being.
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BTW, I never stated nor implied that a consensus meant anything other than a general agreement, shared opinion, or collective judgment among a group of people. A group can reach consensus and still be factually wrong. But to be clear, in this case, it is my belief that the consensus got the cause of the COVID pandemic right. You are welcome to believe whatever you want about how COVID came into being.
As are you. I just follow the facts and use my common sense.
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I didn't make any arguments. And, unsurprisingly, you don't understand the point about the jump from animals to humans. It's not that the jump doesn't happen. It's that it takes numerous iterations of this jump before it becomes lethal. Covid skipped that process. I learned that by listening to epidemiologists. They know their stuff. You don't.
I don't expect you to understand the HIV info. Were you even alive during that period? Do you know what Fauci was telling the public? These are rhetorical questions, because you repeatedly demonstrate that what you know about subjects being discussed here can fit in a thimble.
Epidemiologists and virologists overwhelmingly agree that the COVID-19 pandemic was caused by a natural zoonotic spillover, while acknowledging a minority of scientists maintain that an accidental laboratory leak is also a plausible explanation.
It is also highly unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 was released from a laboratory by accident because no laboratory had the virus nor did its genetic sequence exist in any sequence database before its initial GenBank deposition (early January 2020).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7470595/
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As are you. I just follow the facts and use my common sense.
BTW, although common sense is highly accurate for basic, physical, and plainly worded realities. However, as situations become more complex or abstract, it becomes unreliable. It frequently fails in areas requiring specialized knowledge, statistical probability, or deep critical thinking.
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Epidemiologists and virologists overwhelmingly agree that the COVID-19 pandemic was caused by a natural zoonotic spillover, while acknowledging a minority of scientists maintain that an accidental laboratory leak is also a plausible explanation.
It is also highly unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 was released from a laboratory by accident because no laboratory had the virus nor did its genetic sequence exist in any sequence database before its initial GenBank deposition (early January 2020).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7470595/
And the intelligence community says it likely originated a lab.
Citing articles from 2020 is like giving me clips of Fauci saying the vaccine will stop the transmission of the virus.
We could trade articles all day: https://zenodo.org/records/4477081#.YBd8-i1h3T8
But one thing I'm not doing is relying some kind of AI to tell me what to think.
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BTW, although common sense is highly accurate for basic, physical, and plainly worded realities. However, as situations become more complex or abstract, it becomes unreliable. It frequently fails in areas requiring specialized knowledge, statistical probability, or deep critical thinking.
Meh. You never need to check your common sense at the door. For example, the fact the outbreak happened right where a lab with poor security was doing gain of function research isn't a science-based reason for concluding that the virus originated in a lab. But you really have to turn off the logic part of your brain to not, at a minimum, consider this to be one important factor for lab origination.
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Look at this. Just outright lying to the public. Revisionist history.
MAZE
@mazemoore
In 2025 Sanjay Gupta said it was a mistake for people to claim that the vaccine stopped infection and transmission. He said other people made those claims but that he never did.
As you can see in this video, Gupta is a liar and a fraud.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2059074791399694826
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And the intelligence community says it likely originated a lab.
Citing articles from 2020 is like giving me clips of Fauci saying the vaccine will stop the transmission of the virus.
We could trade articles all day: https://zenodo.org/records/4477081#.YBd8-i1h3T8
But one thing I'm not doing is relying some kind of AI to tell me what to think.
Did you try this link before you posted it?
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Did you try this link before you posted it?
I cut and pasted the link. It originated here: https://zenodo.org/records/4477081#.YBd8-i1h3T8
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Did you try this link before you posted it?
Fixed.
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I didn't make any arguments. And, unsurprisingly, you don't understand the point about the jump from animals to humans. It's not that the jump doesn't happen. It's that it takes numerous iterations of this jump before it becomes lethal. Covid skipped that process. I learned that by listening to epidemiologists. They know their stuff. You don't.
I don't expect you to understand the HIV info. Were you even alive during that period? Do you know what Fauci was telling the public? These are rhetorical questions, because you repeatedly demonstrate that what you know about subjects being discussed here can fit in a thimble.
Some people just don't understand the evolution of a man made and leaked virus.
Some men, you just can't reach.
So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it.
Well, he gets it.
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DOE and FBI say lab leak
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DOE and FBI say lab leak
There's so much info out there pointing to an engineered virus that it's pretty telling that certain people will discredit the idea with no evidence to support their opinion.
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I cut and pasted the link. It originated here: https://zenodo.org/records/4477081#.YBd8-i1h3T8
Thanks for doing this. I have now read it did a little research on Dr. Steven Quay.
Dr. Quay has been a prominent advocate for the SARS-CoV-2 lab-leak hypothesis, since 2020, about year after the first known case.
Dr. Quay’s conclusions are highly controversial and largely rejected by mainstream evolutionary virologists.
Dr. Quay is not a professional virologist.
Most established evolutionary biologists and virologists dispute his findings.
Steven Quay said in his opening remarks to members of the subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis, “In natural zoonoses the animal is in nature, a cave, a farm, or a market. The infected human comes in contact with that animal.
For lab-acquired zoonoses the animal is in a laboratory, or in cells from an animal in a petri dish and the human works in the lab.” So, in effect he is acknowledging zoonoses, just not that it also it could have happened outside the lab.
That the earliest known patients were infected with the "earliest virus" is debatable. Peer-reviewed genomic studies imply that the earliest known cases started from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.
Most likely where and how the virus started is neither absolutely provable. However, the first cases were confirmed to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 which is the coronavirus strain which causes the infectious disease COVID-19 responsible for the global pandemic.
I will say that in my opinion, after reading Dr. Quay’s testimony to the subcommittee, some of what he reported is fairly compelling. Not that my opinion is worth much since I am not an expert on COVID, how, or where it started.
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Some people just don't understand the evolution of a man made and leaked virus.
Some men, you just can't reach.
So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it.
Well, he gets it.
Some people are too arrogant to look at opposing viewpoints.
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Thanks for doing this. I have now read it did a little research on Dr. Steven Quay.
Dr. Quay has been a prominent advocate for the SARS-CoV-2 lab-leak hypothesis, since 2020, about year after the first known case.
Dr. Quay’s conclusions are highly controversial and largely rejected by mainstream evolutionary virologists.
Dr. Quay is not a professional virologist.
Most established evolutionary biologists and virologists dispute his findings.
Steven Quay said in his opening remarks to members of the subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis, “In natural zoonoses the animal is in nature, a cave, a farm, or a market. The infected human comes in contact with that animal.
For lab-acquired zoonoses the animal is in a laboratory, or in cells from an animal in a petri dish and the human works in the lab.” So, in effect he is acknowledging zoonoses, just not that it also it could have happened outside the lab.
That the earliest known patients were infected with the "earliest virus" is debatable. Peer-reviewed genomic studies imply that the earliest known cases started from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.
Most likely where and how the virus started is neither absolutely provable. However, the first cases were confirmed to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 which is the coronavirus strain which causes the infectious disease COVID-19 responsible for the global pandemic.
I will say that in my opinion, after reading Dr. Quay’s testimony to the subcommittee, some of what he reported is fairly compelling. Not that my opinion is worth much since I am not an expert on COVID, how, or where it started.
Listening to the takes of virologists and epidemiologists had a big impact on my own opinion.
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Listening to the takes of virologists and epidemiologists had a big impact on my own opinion.
Tracing the origin of the virus to an area that contains a lab that researches said virus impacts mine.
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Thanks for doing this. I have now read it did a little research on Dr. Steven Quay.
Dr. Quay has been a prominent advocate for the SARS-CoV-2 lab-leak hypothesis, since 2020, about year after the first known case.
Dr. Quay’s conclusions are highly controversial and largely rejected by mainstream evolutionary virologists.
Dr. Quay is not a professional virologist.
Most established evolutionary biologists and virologists dispute his findings.
Steven Quay said in his opening remarks to members of the subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis, “In natural zoonoses the animal is in nature, a cave, a farm, or a market. The infected human comes in contact with that animal.
For lab-acquired zoonoses the animal is in a laboratory, or in cells from an animal in a petri dish and the human works in the lab.” So, in effect he is acknowledging zoonoses, just not that it also it could have happened outside the lab.
That the earliest known patients were infected with the "earliest virus" is debatable. Peer-reviewed genomic studies imply that the earliest known cases started from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.
Most likely where and how the virus started is neither absolutely provable. However, the first cases were confirmed to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 which is the coronavirus strain which causes the infectious disease COVID-19 responsible for the global pandemic.
I will say that in my opinion, after reading Dr. Quay’s testimony to the subcommittee, some of what he reported is fairly compelling. Not that my opinion is worth much since I am not an expert on COVID, how, or where it started.
There was no Pandemic If the MSM & Governments had'nt all conspired to
saturate 24/7 with scare stories etc & said Fuck all I highly doubt any one
would've been any the wiser & it would just of been all Flu related.
The role of MSM & Government cannot be overstated,
I travelled a lot during the Lockdowns ::) and hardly ever saw an ambulance
rushing dead or dying patients to empty hospitals.
Complete & utter Scam.
Remember
Build Back Better & what was all that crap about.
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It was the Russians
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Tracing the origin of the virus to an area that contains a lab that researches said virus impacts mine.
Also the fact that they've never found an animal/human link with the shared virus. It's naive to believe that the Chinese government is being honest or forthcoming with their info. It also amazes me how many "scientists" put their faith in the honesty of any government agency. LOL
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Also the fact that they've never found an animal/human link with the shared virus. It's naive to believe that the Chinese government is being honest or forthcoming with their info. It also amazes me how many "scientists" put their faith in the honesty of any government agency. LOL
It's like Van believing everything Iran says.
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Listening to the takes of virologists and epidemiologists had a big impact on my own opinion.
I take it then that their impact on your opinion was/is usually negative and that you often disagree with the majority of virologists and epidemiologists about how and where COVID originated, etc.
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Covid came from a lab, pure stupidity to believe otherwise.
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Tracing the origin of the virus to an area that contains a lab that researches said virus impacts mine.
Mine too. And the fact China developed a "vaccine" so quickly. The disappearance of the guy who developed the vaccine. The lack of safety protocols at the lab. China's refusal to cooperate with investigations. The lack of animal hosts with the virus, etc.
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I take it then that their impact on your opinion was/is usually negative and that you often disagree with the majority of virologists and epidemiologists about how and where COVID originated, etc.
Nope. See my prior comments about "consensus" as it relates to this virus.
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Covid came from a lab, pure stupidity to believe otherwise.
We have a lot of stupid people in this World.
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Rand Paul
@RandPaul
The scientists who wrote the "lab leak is a conspiracy theory" letter? They organized it themselves then told each other they needed "the appearance of independence."
Both were paid intel informants. Both worked with the Wuhan lab.
One scientist called it genetically engineered. Days later he wrote the opposite. Then got a $9 million grant.
No conspiracy required. Just people covering their own tracks.
https://x.com/RandPaul/status/2059274230596784478
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I didn't make any arguments. And, unsurprisingly, you don't understand the point about the jump from animals to humans. It's not that the jump doesn't happen. It's that it takes numerous iterations of this jump before it becomes lethal. Covid skipped that process. I learned that by listening to epidemiologists. They know their stuff. You don't.
I don't expect you to understand the HIV info. Were you even alive during that period? Do you know what Fauci was telling the public? These are rhetorical questions, because you repeatedly demonstrate that what you know about subjects being discussed here can fit in a thimble.
Ok tough guy.
You are saying patently false things and I lack understanding? have you even ever done a course in virology or microbiology? pathology? I doubt it
There are many viruses that made the jump that were way more lethal, what are you talking about? It depends on the mutation, the evolutionary gap etc.
It's hard to argue this with someone without any education in the field who also doesn't believe in evolution, lol.
Even if I grant you your argument, which is not correct... so what. Novel stuff happens all the time, it's not evidence of a conspiracy. Welcome to evolution where adaptations create new outcomes. Shit even exaptation could account for numerous facts.
You are a layman, using conspiracy theories and half-baked facts to prove your point, it's shameless.
Of course the consensus is wrong to you, global warming is also a farce, evolution as well. You love taking the contrarian position because you simply don't want to believe or can't. Do you see a pattern here? Your whole project is pure confirmation bias.
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Mine too. And the fact China developed a "vaccine" so quickly. The disappearance of the guy who developed the vaccine. The lack of safety protocols at the lab. China's refusal to cooperate with investigations. The lack of animal hosts with the virus, etc.
smoking gun stuff! couldn't be any other possible explanations here. This fact pattern is solid as granite.
The developed a vaccine fast! has to be
lack of safety protocols- has to be malicious, who would of heard of quality control issues in china???
China not allowing investigations- never seen that before!
The lack of animal hosts? lolololol. where do you come up with this shit?
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Rand Paul
@RandPaul
The scientists who wrote the "lab leak is a conspiracy theory" letter? They organized it themselves then told each other they needed "the appearance of independence."
Both were paid intel informants. Both worked with the Wuhan lab.
One scientist called it genetically engineered. Days later he wrote the opposite. Then got a $9 million grant.
No conspiracy required. Just people covering their own tracks.
https://x.com/RandPaul/status/2059274230596784478
People that buy into the cover up are the same that cry about every move Trump makes. They're all easily controlled and manipulated by the media and their peers. The lack of common sense and morality is sickening.
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People that buy into the cover up are the same that cry about every move Trump makes. They're all easily controlled and manipulated by the media and their peers. The lack of common sense and morality is sickening.
Do you think you are immune? its the same shit on the other side dude. Clearly. That's why I don't get my science from politics of news. I go to the actual studies, experts etc. if there is a political slant its garbage.
It's not like this in canada, the US has politicized everything!
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It's like Van believing everything Iran says.
That's rich.
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People that buy into the cover up are the same that cry about every move Trump makes. They're all easily controlled and manipulated by the media and their peers. The lack of common sense and morality is sickening.
They really do have an inability to think for themselves.
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They really do have an inability to think for themselves.
You can think for yourself on topics that require 12 plus years of education?
What are your thoughts on the EPR paradox? any thoughts on autocatalytic theory and abiogenesis?
The arrogance is nutty. You guys think that the other side is completely biased, buying into whatever the party are selling but you are immune? All you need is once piece of evidence to show that that's not the case.
Take A. Garcia's case, clear bullshit, yet you guys were claiming he was human trafficker, should be deported etc.. Meanwhile it was all lies and anyone who could think for themselves could see it was vindictive and unjust- which is what the judge found - it was one car stop in 2022 lol
But ya, you guys have the ability to spot a lie involving complex immunology and virology. Makes perfect fucking sense. You claim to think for yourself but you can't at all. One day you might wake up. Following a book written thousands of years ago and the "truth" is the epitome of that and it's infected your whole being.
Kant would say that you are still in the immature phase of life, lacking the ability to think for oneself truly. You follow a religion, you follow a party, you follow a person in Trump.....
Too bad you couldn't engage in real discussion.
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They really do have an inability to think for themselves.
It's a desperation to fit in and be accepted by other manipulated and weak minded people. A big group think experiment by the government and leftist media. Sad to watch sometimes.
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It's a desperation to fit in and be accepted by other manipulated and weak minded people. A big group think experiment by the government and leftist media. Sad to watch sometimes.
As you talk to the person who exclusively shares your ideas and positions LOL.
The irony is lost on you I know but it's a chef's kiss.
I find echo chambers the best place to bounce ideas around.
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You can think for yourself on topics that require 12 plus years of education?
What are your thoughts on the EPR paradox? any thoughts on autocatalytic theory and abiogenesis?
The arrogance is nutty. You guys think that the other side is completely biased, buying into whatever the party are selling but you are immune? All you need is once piece of evidence to show that that's not the case.
Take A. Garcia's case, clear bullshit, yet you guys were claiming he was human trafficker, should be deported etc.. Meanwhile it was all lies and anyone who could think for themselves could see it was vindictive and unjust- which is what the judge found - it was one car stop in 2022 lol
But ya, you guys have the ability to spot a lie involving complex immunology and virology. Makes perfect fucking sense. You claim to think for yourself but you can't at all. One day you might wake up. Following a book written thousands of years ago and the "truth" is the epitome of that and it's infected your whole being.
Kant would say that you are still in the immature phase of life, lacking the ability to think for oneself truly. You follow a religion, you follow a party, you follow a person in Trump.....
Too bad you couldn't engage in real discussion.
Stream of consciousness, according to Google, includes the following:
Non-linear Structure: Ideas jump randomly between the present moment, past memories, and random associations.
Unconventional Grammar: Sentences are often fragmented, run-on, or entirely unpunctuated to match the speed of thought.
That is largely how you communicate. What does Abrego Garcia have to do with the Price of Tea in China (so to speak)? And I would bet all the money Ron pays me to help out around here that you did not read the judge's decision, have no idea what the underlying facts are, or really anything about Abrego Garcia
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It's a desperation to fit in and be accepted by other manipulated and weak minded people. A big group think experiment by the government and leftist media. Sad to watch sometimes.
And desperate to receive validation, because they are incredibly insecure.
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The consensus.
MAZE
@mazemoore
This is one of the more important videos I’ve made.
Never forget this evil.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2059832383365406958
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Stream of consciousness, according to Google, includes the following:
Non-linear Structure: Ideas jump randomly between the present moment, past memories, and random associations.
Unconventional Grammar: Sentences are often fragmented, run-on, or entirely unpunctuated to match the speed of thought.
That is largely how you communicate. What does Abrego Garcia have to do with the Price of Tea in China (so to speak)? And I would bet all the money Ron pays me to help out around here that you did not read the judge's decision, have no idea what the underlying facts are, or really anything about Abrego Garcia
It most certainly isn't but I am use to you using whatever deflection tactic you can muster to avoid addressing the salient points. It's in clear reference to both you and chaos claiming liberals can think for themselves, that's it's obvious, groupthink etc. You are engaged in the same thing and have exhibited this thinking structure in numerous areas of your life. You literally take the contrarian, minority position constantly. Against scientific consensus at that.
Answer me this.. just to prove a point, is evolution real? is it a true.
It's a counter point about the broad claim you are making.
What's hilarious is you are claiming I know nothing about Garcia's case, correct, I am not a lawyer or trained in law thus I have to rely on expert opinion and what the judge said. However, I recognize that. You on the other hand are making crazy claims about something infinitely more complex that are patently false all the while claiming others can't think for themselves. You are a walking dunning-kruger and too far up your own ass to have any intellectual humility. When your facts are ousted you resort to claiming folks are brainwashed, can't think for themselves and are looking to fit in because they are insecure- which is exactly what you are doing.
No kidding I communicate differently. it's called the double empathy problem. I find the way you communicate non-rigorous.
I don't expect you to change your opinions. At your age the brain is less plastic and thus less able to change and adjust to new thought. Conservatism always fails in the end- it's programmed to. Everything Evolves :-*
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The consensus.
MAZE
@mazemoore
This is one of the more important videos I’ve made.
Never forget this evil.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2059832383365406958
FTR I agree with this post on numerous levels.
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And desperate to receive validation, because they are incredibly insecure.
The scientific community used to welcome challenges to their findings, now they protect their funding with their findings and the pleebs that know no better will defend their findings as the only possibility. Government controls them all.
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The scientific community used to welcome challenges to their findings, now they protect their funding with their findings and the pleebs that know no better will defend their findings as the only possibility. Government controls them all.
Completely retarded. So countries like China conducting research are in line with the US? south korea, australia, england etc they are all one monolith?
Lol.
The scientific cabal! praise our lord
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Take A. Garcia's case, clear bullshit, yet you guys were claiming he was human trafficker, should be deported etc.. Meanwhile it was all lies and anyone who could think for themselves could see it was vindictive and unjust- which is what the judge found - it was one car stop in 2022 lol
This is your projection.
Abrego Garcia should be deported because he was not admitted or paroled at a legal port of entry, which I'm sure what many of the folks here believed. He was here illegally.
The alleged criminal activity was just an "extra" reason, but not vital to the core belief.
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This is your projection.
Abrego Garcia should be deported because he was not admitted or paroled at a legal port of entry, which I'm sure what many of the folks here believed. He was here illegally.
The alleged criminal activity was just an "extra" reason, but not vital to the core belief.
But a judge granted him protection from deportation. He was wrongly deported hence the ruling to return him (all the way up to the supreme court) and is not a human trafficker, hence the ruling of vindictive action on behalf of the trump administration. It was literally targeted cruelty and a fucking sham.
It wasn't an extra reason it was vindictive. You don't want a government to prosecute people based on how petty they are ffs.
They lied on him constantly. The ms13 tattoo that trump thought actually said MS13 was the cherry on top. The MS-13 connection is tenuous at best as well.
What you are saying is simply revisionist and no ruling body agrees with you.
Do I think he was illegally in the states? yes. You can't just use a blanket generalization on that though, there has to be some nuance and humanity. Do I think he is maybe a piece of shit and abuser? most likely..
I realize you will likely say it is black and white and you could logically argue that but that's not the standard for literally everything else, nor should it be, it's misology.
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Dumbasses think money and control only matter to the US government. ::)
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But a judge granted him protection from deportation. He was wrongly deported hence the ruling to return him (all the way up to the supreme court) and is not a human trafficker, hence the ruling of vindictive action on behalf of the trump administration. It was literally targeted cruelty and a fucking sham.
It wasn't an extra reason it was vindictive. You don't want a government to prosecute people based on how petty they are ffs.
They lied on him constantly. The ms13 tattoo that trump thought actually said MS13 was the cherry on top. The MS-13 connection is tenuous at best as well.
What you are saying is simply revisionist and no ruling body agrees with you.
Do I think he was illegally in the states? yes. You can't just use a blanket generalization on that though, there has to be some nuance and humanity. Do I think he is maybe a piece of shit and abuser? most likely..
I realize you will likely say it is black and white and you could logically argue that but that's not the standard for literally everything else, nor should it be, it's misology.
I understand that, but I disagree with the judge. Judges are a big problem here.
Unfortunately, the last administration fucked everything up by letting so many in. So there will be less tolerance for cases like this, even though I believe this guy is full of shit.
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No kidding I communicate differently. it's called the double empathy problem.
So you are autistic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_empathy_problem
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The scientific community used to welcome challenges to their findings, now they protect their funding with their findings and the pleebs that know no better will defend their findings as the only possibility. Government controls them all.
Truth. An excerpt to remind people what "the consensus" tried to do to silence people who questioned Covid origins:
This heavy censorship was done with the encouragement of governments (Bose 2021; O’Neill 2021), which cooperated with tech companies such as Facebook, Twitter, and Google. For example, on March 7, 2022, US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy called on tech companies to report “health misinformation” to the federal government and to step up their efforts to remove it (Pavlich 2022). Subsequently, e-mails released from legal proceedings have documented the ways in which government officials directly coordinated with tech companies like Twitter and Facebook to censor doctors, scientists and journalists (Lungariello and Chamberlain 2022; Ramaswamy and Rubenfeld 2022). In December 2021, an e-mail from the fall of 2020 was released via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. It revealed a behind-the-scenes effort by Francis Collins, then head of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), to his colleague, Anthony Fauci, head of NIAID, to discredit the Great Barrington Declaration and disparage its authors. In the email, Collins told Fauci that “this proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists … seems to be getting a lot of attention,” adding that “there needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don’t see anything like that online yet—is it underway?” (Wall Street Journal 2021).
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9628345/
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This is your projection.
Abrego Garcia should be deported because he was not admitted or paroled at a legal port of entry, which I'm sure what many of the folks here believed. He was here illegally.
The alleged criminal activity was just an "extra" reason, but not vital to the core belief.
Don't try to confuse him with the facts.
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But a judge granted him protection from deportation. He was wrongly deported hence the ruling to return him (all the way up to the supreme court) and is not a human trafficker, hence the ruling of vindictive action on behalf of the trump administration. It was literally targeted cruelty and a fucking sham.
It wasn't an extra reason it was vindictive. You don't want a government to prosecute people based on how petty they are ffs.
They lied on him constantly. The ms13 tattoo that trump thought actually said MS13 was the cherry on top. The MS-13 connection is tenuous at best as well.
What you are saying is simply revisionist and no ruling body agrees with you.
Do I think he was illegally in the states? yes. You can't just use a blanket generalization on that though, there has to be some nuance and humanity. Do I think he is maybe a piece of shit and abuser? most likely..
I realize you will likely say it is black and white and you could logically argue that but that's not the standard for literally everything else, nor should it be, it's misology.
Standing up for an illegal, criminal scumbag. You truly are a scumbag!
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Dumbasses think money and control only matter to the US government. ::)
You appear to be unaware that a ton of scientific research is not funded by the government.
You have different politically leaning countries, some enemies in fact saying the same thing. It's either A) you are correct and its all nonsense controlled by the liberal media the world over, or B) science as an enterprise produces true results which would lend itself to a process that one could replicate and review, which would obviously converge on "facts".
Which sounds more reasonable?
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So you are autistic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_empathy_problem
Lol, you are too easy.
listen old man, you should be wise, not letting a young man like me lead you around by the nose.
At least I taught you something today, even if it required poor motivations to do so.
I have a memory palace made of everything you have said, don't make me use more.
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Standing up for an illegal, criminal scumbag. You truly are a scumbag!
Is being vindictive and causing massive trauma to his family for exaggerated claims not a problem for you?
You think this guy deserved to be sent to a prison in el salvador lolololol, insane.
You probably broke more laws today that his suit had. It's us vs them baby.
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Lol, you are too easy.
listen old man, you should be wise, not letting a young man like me lead you around by the nose.
At least I taught you something today, even if it required poor motivations to do so.
I have a memory palace made of everything you have said, don't make me use more.
If I had known you were autistic, I would not have been so hard on you. My bad.
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If I had known you were autistic, I would not have been so hard on you. My bad.
lol, there is a part of me who believes you got my point. I can't be certain.
This is an interesting line of thought though.
Why would you be easier on someone who is autistic? let me hear this logic. You elon musks mom or something?
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lol, there is a part of me who believes you got my point. I can't be certain.
This is an interesting line of thought though.
Why would you be easier on someone who is autistic? let me hear this logic. You elon musks mom or something?
I don't ever get your point unless I run your comments through the Gibberish Translator. But I will ease up on you.
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I don't ever get your point unless I run your comments through the Gibberish Translator. But I will ease up on you.
The snow mexican to American translator gets worked overtime for some peoples posts.
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The snow mexican to American translator gets worked overtime for some peoples posts.
;D
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I don't ever get your point unless I run your comments through the Gibberish Translator. But I will ease up on you.
The iq gap communication problem is also real.
I feel for you, truly.
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The iq gap communication problem is also real.
I feel for you, truly.
nah, you're too deep into the forest to see the trees here.
You have trouble presenting things coherently at times, which leads to confusion for those reading it. This is not every time, but it does happen on occasion. You think you are presenting something in one way, but it's being taken in a totally different context by others.
You may not be aware.
I always chalked it up to you being high or on something.
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nah, you're too deep into the forest to see the trees here.
You have trouble presenting things coherently at times, which leads to confusion for those reading it. This is not every time, but it does happen on occasion. You think you are presenting something in one way, but it's being taken in a totally different context by others.
You may not be aware.
I always chalked it up to you being high or on something.
LOL
weak central coherence they call it.
I respect your perspicacity here lololol
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LOL
weak central coherence they call it.
I respect your perspicacity here lololol
That summarizes it well.
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That summarizes it well.
Are you sure you know what it actually is? it's an actual thing.
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Standing up for an illegal, criminal scumbag. You truly are a scumbag!
He's a Fucked up Leftist these Scumbags are their hero's ::)
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Are you sure you know what it actually is? it's an actual thing.
Yes, that is why I answered the way I did.
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Yes, that is why I answered the way I did.
Just ignore or better still abuse the Silly Khvnt - He's as daft as a brush yet has this pompous
Arse attitude he's some kind of intellectual genius ::) - Just how Delusional is this Twat.
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Just ignore or better still abuse the Silly Khvnt - He's as daft as a brush yet has this pompous
Arse attitude he's some kind of intellectual genius ::) - Just how Delusional is this Twat.
it was a technical term, I was asking if he was aware essentially.
You are way too old to be the way your are.
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it was a technical term, I was asking if he was aware essentially.
You are way too old to be the way your are.
Pronoun Boy
You pressume far to much for your own good.
Like you know exactly Fuck all about Me so don't try saying you do.
Go Fuck yourself you Leftists Khvnt.
Oh & also I was talking to The Organ Grinder not his daft Monkey.
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Pronoun Boy
You pressume far to much for your own good.
Like you know exactly Fuck all about Me so don't try saying you do.
Go Fuck yourself you Leftists Khvnt.
Oh & also I was talking to The Organ Grinder not his daft Monkey.
You are one angry lil man lololol.
You would be someone I would avoid at all costs, nearly braindead and emotionally unstable.
You probably complain to anyone that will listen about everything that exists.
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You are one angry lil man lololol.
You would be someone I would avoid at all costs, nearly braindead and emotionally unstable.
You probably complain to anyone that will listen about everything that exists.
Pronoun Boy
You still haven't a Fucking clue have you.
Keep clinging on & projecting your weird fantasies about me. ::)
And so glad to hear you'd avoid me that's the best thing you've
ever said.
I sure as hell would have zero to do with a soppy arse Leftist Queer
like you.
Carry on.
HTH.
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Some people have such a huge ego and become so self unaware of their stupidity that they honestly believe that they can do no wrong and that they are smarter than everyone. In reality, they are the problem and have surrounded themselves in an echo chamber.
All ego, no thought.
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intelligence is like a vertical jump, some people just got hops.
Some people don't have much of a superego, just giving into their id constantly. The worse offenders are the fats. The fats can't control the impulse to eat, they become atavistic, gorging on food and pleasure to the point of cankles.
Most people are a walking dunning-kruger unaware of their projective identification because that haven't recognized that at the core of our being is nothing, lack itself. Nothing can fill this lack because its lack itself and originates within. More food, more food until you can't buy normal socks anymore, till the nike symbol becomes a literally dash warping sock-time like a fat-hole.
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Some people have such a huge ego and become so self unaware of their stupidity that they honestly believe that they can do no wrong and that they are smarter than everyone. In reality, they are the problem and have surrounded themselves in an echo chamber.
All ego, no thought.
FYI, Getbig is an echo chamber, in the event you have not noticed.
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Imagine being so stupid you have no ability for self reflection, no ability to recognize your own arrogance and therefore your own retardation.
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Imagine being so stupid you have no ability for self reflection, no ability to recognize your own arrogance and therefore your own retardation.
You have a tough life, I agree.
I do like how you are mimicking my trolling patterns even down to the sentences lolol. It's pure flattery, thank you.
Do you ascribe to rene girards mimetic theory? seems like it. You should develop your own potentialities.
Here is some rage bait for you
https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/new-iq-research-shows-why-smarter-people-make-better-decisions/
:-* :-*
I will be back in a week, stay safe.
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FYI, Getbig is an echo chamber, in the event you have not noticed.
I don;t think they notice much to be honest. The obvious projection that is apparent to any objective observer is hard to fathom. You can't add to their wisdom because theirs if full, they already know. If there are experts en masse who disagree (only ones who have a right to an opinion frankly) it's the experts that are wrong of course. Well established facts like evolution are lies, covid was a liberal plant to control us. All disparate evidence is discarded with a hand wave.
It's very interesting to see. The solution would have been more school, to learn how to think critically, but alas school is a liberal indoctrination mill. They haven't been there of course, but they definitely know!
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Imagine being so stupid you have no ability for self reflection, no ability to recognize your own arrogance and therefore your own retardation.
we forgive you :D
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we forgive you :D
You should be asking for forgiveness for what you did to Europe. I can't believe you and die linke helped destroy the European dream.
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FYI, Getbig is an echo chamber, in the event you have not noticed.
How so?
For example - go the Iran thread - pretty good amounts of folks arguing multiple sides of this.
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we forgive you :D
Fuck off you Die Linke Scumbag & Hypocrite 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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How so?
For example - go the Iran thread - pretty good amounts of folks arguing multiple sides of this.
If you don't fall in line and agree with the libtards then you're the one in the echo chamber. ::)
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If you don't fall in line and agree with the libtards then you're the one in the echo chamber. ::)
An echo chamber and similarly confirmation bias strongly apply to Getbig. Would you agree that there are far more folks on the political right with a strong conservative perspective posting on Getbig than us more liberal thinking people? How frequently do any of these multitude of Getbig conservative posters here exhibit any degree of latitude? That this forum is an echo chamber and similarly has a strong confirmation bias. Would you agree that there are far more folks on the political right with a strong conservative perspective posting on here than us more liberal thinking people? How frequently do any of these multitude of Getbig conservative posters here exhibit any degree of ideological latitude? of liberalism.
An echo chamber and similarly a confirmation bias strongly applies to Getbig.
Would you agree that there are far more politically right folks with strong conservative perspectives posting on Getbig than we more liberal thinking people? How frequently do any of these multitude of Getbig conservative posters here exhibit any degree of latitude?
Online forums frequently evolve into echo chambers where confirmation bias thrives. Users with similar viewpoints congregate and reinforce each other's beliefs while disdainfully and often lewdly criticizing dissenting perspectives.
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People who exercise and put in hard work tend to be more conservative.
You never see a bunch of jacked guys protesting because they have shit to do.
But this place is hardly an echo chamber. Plenty of opposing views.
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But this place is hardly an echo chamber. Plenty of opposing views.
Of course to getlibbers if you don't agree with them it's because you are in an echo chamber. These people lack basic common sense.
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People who exercise and put in hard work tend to be more conservative.
You never see a bunch of jacked guys protesting because they have shit to do.
But this place is hardly an echo chamber. Plenty of opposing views.
That's not true lol.
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That's not true lol.
keep going...
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keep going...
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I am referencing the fitness claim. As an aside, the claim that this place is an echo chamber is correct as well. I would reckon the ratio is 80-20 right vs left here. I wouldn't know for sure because it would be impossible to be certain without proper sampling. Plus, the threads I participate in are mostly political skewing my interactions.
With regards to the fitness, if anything, the data shows that liberals tend to be slightly more in shape. Both farther left and right tend to be fitter then centrists.
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I am referencing the fitness claim. As an aside, the claim that this place is an echo chamber is correct as well. I would reckon the ratio is 80-20 right vs left here. I wouldn't know for sure because it would be impossible to be certain without proper sampling. Plus, the threads I participate in are mostly political skewing my interactions.
With regards to the fitness, if anything, the data shows that liberals tend to be slightly more in shape. Both farther left and right tend to be fitter then centrists.
I think sometimes subtle jokes get lost in your spectrum filter. I was just basically saying liberals are a bunch of soy-laden pussy incel types, boomers, or just retards. Or all three.
Anecdotally, though, watching a random swath of interviews for any no kings protest would probably verify this.
I do have access to all the data and metrics on this site, but I don't think I'm going to take the time to verify. I could probably name over ten -twenty leftists on this site though rather easily.
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I think sometimes subtle jokes get lost in your spectrum filter. I was just basically saying liberals are a bunch of soy-laden pussy incel types, boomers, or just retards. Or all three.
Anecdotally, though, watching a random swath of interviews for any no kings protest would probably verify this.
I do have access to all the data and metrics on this site, but I don't think I'm going to take the time to verify. I could probably name over ten -twenty leftists on this site though rather easily.
I know you were joking but you were making a serious point with the joke were you not?
Far left folks are higher estrogen, I agree. Far right are fat hilllbillies.
People with there shit together are in shape.
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I know you were joking but you were making a serious point with the joke were you not?
Far left folks are higher estrogen, I agree. Far right are fat hilllbillies.
People with there shit together are in shape.
This I don't disagree with.
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I think sometimes subtle jokes get lost in your spectrum filter. I was just basically saying liberals are a bunch of soy-laden pussy incel types, boomers, or just retards. Or all three.
Anecdotally, though, watching a random swath of interviews for any no kings protest would probably verify this.
I do have access to all the data and metrics on this site, but I don't think I'm going to take the time to verify. I could probably name over ten -twenty leftists on this site though rather easily.
Aren't we are talking about contributing members and not members who may or may not read posts and who almost never respond to them or start threads?
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Aren't we are talking about contributing members and not members who may or may not read posts and who almost never respond to them or start threads?
If you're referring to my 10-20 liberal comment, it would be folks I remember posting recently, so I guess so?
I don't think this is one we have to get into the weed on though.
We all agree there are no jacked protestors, or any significant number.
Those people don't have time for that shit.
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If you're referring to my 10-20 liberal comment, it would be folks I remember posting recently, so I guess so?
I don't think this is one we have to get into the weed on though.
We all agree there are no jacked protestors, or any significant number.
Those people don't have time for that shit.
Do you ever fact check your memory?
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If you're referring to my 10-20 liberal comment, it would be folks I remember posting recently, so I guess so?
I don't think this is one we have to get into the weed on though.
We all agree there are no jacked protestors, or any significant number.
Those people don't have time for that shit.
What about that jacked gay viking dude at the pride parade?
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What about that jacked gay viking dude at the pride parade?
This was a pride parade???
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This was a pride parade???
Even if it wasn't, it was.
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This was a pride parade???
The ol fuck parade lol
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You don't say?
DNI Tulsi Gabbard
@DNIGabbard
Today, on my final day as Director of National Intelligence, I’m releasing never-before-seen communications and documents exposing how Dr. Fauci provided millions in US taxpayer dollars to fund dangerous gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, worked with politicized elements within the Intelligence Community to suppress the truth about his actions and hide the virus’ lab-leak origins, and lied to Congress while under oath in 2024. It’s time you know the truth.
https://www.odni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/press-releases-2026/4166-pr-11-26
https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/2067792184753938484
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You don't say?
DNI Tulsi Gabbard
@DNIGabbard
Today, on my final day as Director of National Intelligence, I’m releasing never-before-seen communications and documents exposing how Dr. Fauci provided millions in US taxpayer dollars to fund dangerous gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, worked with politicized elements within the Intelligence Community to suppress the truth about his actions and hide the virus’ lab-leak origins, and lied to Congress while under oath in 2024. It’s time you know the truth.
https://www.odni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/press-releases-2026/4166-pr-11-26
https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/2067792184753938484
Has to be fake, the smartest guy in Americas hat said it was all natural. ::)
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Has to be fake, the smartest guy in Americas hat said it was all natural. ::)
People who are actually smart know better.
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MAZE
@mazemoore
I made a lot of videos about the pandemic. I think this is the best one. It captures the insanity really well.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2069244298831487134
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People who are actually smart know better.
The guys that did internet research and have low iq's. Quintessential trump voter.
This is a big nothing burger as per usual. Go back to praying to jesus or maybe read some spinoza so you can confirm for yourself that your life's prize is retarded.
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The guys that did internet research and have low iq's. Quintessential trump voter.
This is a big nothing burger as per usual. Go back to praying to jesus or maybe read some spinoza so you can confirm for yourself that your life's prize is retarded.
::)
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Catherine Herridge
@C__Herridge
New declassified records confirm the evidence ALWAYS supported the lab leak theory: the virus was engineered in Wuhan with US taxpayer dollars.
https://x.com/C__Herridge/status/2068454989156979112
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MAZE
@mazemoore
From the first week of the pandemic in January of 2020, to the end of the pandemic in 2023, Fauci consistently pushed the wet market theory and shot down the lab leak theory.
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2068060497769836804
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Senator Ron Johnson
@SenRonJohnson
Just as the legacy media ignored my report on the FDA’s cover-up, they are now ignoring
@TulsiGabbard’s report on Fauci’s lies.
Until the legacy media starts reporting on and treating these scandals as news, the public will remain unaware, and corrupt actors will not be fully exposed.
https://x.com/SenRonJohnson/status/2069498993747366227
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Covid was definitely a lab leak and potentially even leaked on purpose, covered up by Fauci, the who, big pharma and MSM. Used the worlds population as their own guinea pigs. Disgusting that anyone could or would defend them.
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Covid was definitely a lab leak and potentially even leaked on purpose, covered up by Fauci, the who, big pharma and MSM. Used the worlds population as their own guinea pigs. Disgusting that anyone could or would defend them.
The enormity of this scandal is staggering. Worldwide implications. But nothing will come out of it. He was pardoned and they don't have the stones to bring him back, put him under oath again, and ask him specific questions that will either expose his lies or cause him to take the Fifth. The GOP doesn't have the stones to actually do anything, except post things on the internet, issue a "report" or two, then move on to the next scandal they will essentially ignore.
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The GOP doesn't have the stones to actually do anything, except post things on the internet, issue a "report" or two, then move on to the next scandal they will essentially ignore.
Unfortunately this. Maybe it's time for chaos to run for an elected office? 8)
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Unfortunately this. Maybe it's time for chaos to run for an elected office? 8)
Do it. I would vote for you if I lived in California. Wait. All I need is a ballot and an X signature, so if you run I will vote from you from across the pond. ;D
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The only member of the GOP who has been all over this issue and has the stones to do something about it.
Rand Paul
@RandPaul
Last week, Anthony Fauci notified us he will NOT voluntarily testify before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, even though he had previously agreed to do so.
Therefore, today I have issued a subpoena requiring him to testify before the Committee, in public, next month.
https://x.com/RandPaul/status/2069168695398588521
Phil Holloway ✈️
@PhilHollowayEsq
🚨FAUCI SUBPOENAED
Dr. TheScience™ can’t take the 5th because of the alleged pardon
If he lies to congress again this time, the alleged pardon won’t save him
https://x.com/PhilHollowayEsq/status/2069386690288853368
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Here comes a big nothing burger!
The honorable fauci vs the blowhard who feels his rights were taken away.
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Poor Fauci, he dindu nuffin!!!
Anthony Fauci’s fortune doubled to $15 million between early 2019 and 2023, watchdog finds: ‘During worst of COVID lockdowns’
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Poor Fauci, he dindu nuffin!!!
Oh no!!
look! a high school drop out with apophenia. He made money like all the rich people during covid, must be from wuhan!!
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Someones hero Fauci is such a poor little victim!!
There is no credible evidence that Dr. Anthony Fauci owns any businesses.
According to his federal financial disclosures, Fauci’s portfolio includes various investments, but there is no listing of any business ventures or stock ownership in private companies. The NIH has also stated that he does not own stock in any biomedical or pharmaceutical companies Reuters. Multiple fact‑checks confirm that claims linking him to Pfizer or other pharmaceutical firms are false
More than doubled his net worth with no investments in pharmaceutical firms....what a lucky guy. ::) ::)
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Oh no!!
look! a high school drop out with apophenia. He made money like all the rich people during covid, must be from wuhan!!
Why do you think he hasn't sued RFK for his Real Anthony Fauci book?
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Why do you think he hasn't sued RFK for his Real Anthony Fauci book?
I dont have a clue. I haven't followed anything about fauci tbh. I have read the papers as is my duty but the other shit I have not gone into more than any other nobody on the internet
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Why do you think he hasn't sued RFK for his Real Anthony Fauci book?
Believes every word Fauci has written, doesn't know anything about the guy. Complete tool. Strung along by his nose ring as is his duty with total blindness.
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I dont have a clue. I haven't followed anything about fauci tbh. I have read the papers as is my duty but the other shit I have not gone into more than any other nobody on the internet
You seem to be a defender of Fauci, even calling him "honorable", hence the question:
Here comes a big nothing burger!
The honorable fauci
Also, non-Canadian spelling of "honorable" noted.
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Unfortunately this. Maybe it's time for chaos to run for an elected office? 8)
Yes, it is definitely time for you to throw your hat in the ring. Which office will you be running for? Not that I can vote for you since this leaves only general election and the Presidency/Vice Presidency candidates.
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Believes every word Fauci has written, doesn't know anything about the guy. Complete tool. Strung along by his nose ring as is his duty with total blindness.
Fauci didn't do any primary research you moron.
I know it's hard to comprehend for you but there is a world were people actually dedicate their lives to studying something and actually know stuff. I get the sense you are a trust my gut type of guy.
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You seem to be a defender of Fauci, even calling him "honorable", hence the question:
Also, non-Canadian spelling of "honorable" noted.
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He is! he is one of the most cited scientists in the world. Pretty rare accomplishment which requires a fuck ton of work and is high regard.
I don't read books by politicians. Seems like a good way to rot your brain.
Also, lol at the honorable comment. haha.
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Fauci the expert with no research...lol by the ring in his nose.
Yes, it is definitely time for you to throw your hat in the ring. Which office will you be running for? Not that I can vote for you since this leaves only general election and the Presidency/Vice Presidency candidates.
I'm thinking local. No way I could win anything in Los Angeles, Newsom and dems have that city completely corrupted and rigged.
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Fauci the expert with no research...lol by the ring in his nose.
I'm thinking local. No way I could win anything in Los Angeles, Newsom and dems have that city completely corrupted and rigged.
Local politics is a good choice, especially if you have little or no experience with being a political candidate. Have you considered running for a position on your school district's school board? One of the perks of running for your local school board is that your campaign expenses can be nearly nothing or very little compared to other political offices.
Many years ago, I attended Oregon's Labor Candidate School. Students learn how to run successful political campaigns. One major key is understanding how to raise money to pay for a political campaign.
As best as I can tell, California does not currently have a labor candidate school, but they do have several alternatives, some which are not labor union sponsored.
https://www.oregonlaborcandidateschool.org/
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He is! he is one of the most cited scientists in the world. Pretty rare accomplishment which requires a fuck ton of work and is high regard.
Ok, Dr. Peter A. McCullough is one one of the most published doctors in the world, and he's been pretty much against everything Fauci pushed.
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Ok, Dr. Peter A. McCullough is one one of the most published doctors in the world, and he's been pretty much against everything Fauci pushed.
Dude he is a cardiologist ffs, he had his certifications revoked as well. He also has not done very much primary research.
I wouldn't take what someone who isn't trained in virology or immunology seriously. It's like a software engineer telling a civil engineer how to do his job.
This is the problem with this whole thing, the people you are listening to are not qualified to make comments and always have something going on with them.
Numerous claims he has made have been shown to be false.
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Ok, Dr. Peter A. McCullough is one one of the most published doctors in the world, and he's been pretty much against everything Fauci pushed.
Again you are trying to rationalize with retards. These people have been brainwashed by the media that fauci is some sort of know-it-all. The guy has fumbled every major event he advised on and yet the media convinced the super smart snow mexican that fauci is some sort of hero. No amount of rationalizing, evidence or common sense will get subhumans like that to open their eyes to the manipulation.
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Dude he is a cardiologist ffs, he had his certifications revoked as well. He also has not done very much primary research.
I wouldn't take what someone who isn't trained in virology or immunology seriously. It's like a software engineer telling a civil engineer how to do his job.
This is the problem with this whole thing, the people you are listening to are not qualified to make comments and always have something going on with them.
Numerous claims he has made have been shown to be false.
LOL, that is one of your counter points? That the folks who fucked this whole thing reversed his board certs for covid "misinformation" (he can still practice medicine)
But, this is a prime example of what i pointed out you sometimes do - discredit the source rather than the content.
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LOL, that is one of your counter points? That the folks who fucked this whole thing reversed his board certs for covid "misinformation" (he can still practice medicine)
But, this is a prime example of what i pointed out you sometimes do - discredit the source rather than the content.
Dude, to have your board certs removed is kind of a big deal.
Also, do you go to the gynecologist when you have neurological problems? would you care what a gyne had to say about mens health? the guy is a cardiologist. It would be like listening to fauci regarding cholesterol, stupid.
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Dude, to have your board certs removed is kind of a big deal.
Also, do you go to the gynecologist when you have neurological problems? would you care what a gyne had to say about mens health? the guy is a cardiologist. It would be like listening to fauci regarding cholesterol, stupid.
It's not when those removing it are corrupted politically or inept.
It's akin to the 34 "felonies".
However, the main point is that that doctors like him were silence, canceled, vilified, dismissed etc when they should have just been part of the conversation.
But as for his specialty, who better than to warn against myocarditis, etc?
The guy was attempting to establish protocols for early treatment when there was none, outside of saying "sit tight unless you feel you need hospitalization".
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Again you are trying to rationalize with retards. These people have been brainwashed by the media that fauci is some sort of know-it-all. The guy has fumbled every major event he advised on and yet the media convinced the super smart snow mexican that fauci is some sort of hero. No amount of rationalizing, evidence or common sense will get subhumans like that to open their eyes to the manipulation.
Fauci is incredibly dishonest. I don't know if he is incompetent or has just been lying to make money and to try and salvage his reputation.
Remember this?
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Fauci is incredibly dishonest. I don't know if he is incompetent or has just been lying to make money and to try and salvage his reputation.
Remember this?
He's an overrated political shill. His opinion is bought and paid for by big pharma and pushed into politics. I know certain people here worship the ground he walks on, but that shows how easily they are manipulated and led around by their nose rings.
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It's not when those removing it are corrupted politically or inept.
It's akin to the 34 "felonies".
However, the main point is that that doctors like him were silence, canceled, vilified, dismissed etc when they should have just been part of the conversation.
But as for his specialty, who better than to warn against myocarditis, etc?
The guy was attempting to establish protocols for early treatment when there was none, outside of saying "sit tight unless you feel you need hospitalization".
thats not how medicine works though. If there isn't a surgery for a condition you don't just take it upon yourself to start testing shit out on people, you have to follow the proper procedures. Goign outside those parameters is good cause for getting shit canned. It would be the wild west.
The rate of myocarditis was higher in just getting covid than the vaccine though.
His claims could of caused harm and offered little to no benefit- thats not part of the hippocratic oath.
As for your initial claims, you know trump has been found liable for fraud before right?
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It's not when those removing it are corrupted politically or inept.
It's akin to the 34 "felonies".
However, the main point is that that doctors like him were silence, canceled, vilified, dismissed etc when they should have just been part of the conversation.
But as for his specialty, who better than to warn against myocarditis, etc?
The guy was attempting to establish protocols for early treatment when there was none, outside of saying "sit tight unless you feel you need hospitalization".
Some people don't understand how "medicine" and "science" are political tools and their heroes will do what they're told to do.
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thats not how medicine works though. If there isn't a surgery for a condition you don't just take it upon yourself to start testing shit out on people, you have to follow the proper procedures. Goign outside those parameters is good cause for getting shit canned. It would be the wild west.
The rate of myocarditis was higher in just getting covid than the vaccine though.
His claims could of caused harm and offered little to no benefit- thats not part of the hippocratic oath.
As for your initial claims, you know trump has been found liable for fraud before right?
You don't, but doctors are required to use clinical judgement to help the sick while causing no intentional harm.
That's what many doctors did to treat sick folks during the pandemic. And they were vilified for it.
McCollough, in particular, was also correct on natural immunity.
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You don't, but doctors are required to use clinical judgement to help the sick while causing no intentional harm.
That's what many doctors did to treat sick folks during the pandemic. And they were vilified for it.
McCollough, in particular, was also correct on natural immunity.
As a doctor, what you are saying is outright wrong. We cannot just do things that are outside our purview without massive risks. You don't do experiments on people based on vibes. There are approved treatments for conditions, going off label is quite risky, just saying.
No one would deny natural immunity, what was he right on? that's simply how antibodies work with all viral load.
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You don't, but doctors are required to use clinical judgement to help the sick while causing no intentional harm.
That's what many doctors did to treat sick folks during the pandemic. And they were vilified for it.
McCollough, in particular, was also correct on natural immunity.
We now have confirmation that Doctors DO NOT use clinical judgment to help the sick while causing no intentional harm. You are outright WRONG!!! HA!! IN YOUR FACE!!!
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We now have confirmation that Doctors DO NOT use clinical judgment to help the sick while causing no intentional harm. You are outright WRONG!!! HA!! IN YOUR FACE!!!
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You can't use clinical judgement on something with no data. Such a retarded comment.
Someone comes in with a virus never seen before do you
A) Use known anti-virals and other ameliorants known to work in similar cases- aka fluids, nsaids, mucolytics etc. We have a clear risk profile, side effect profile and no the iatrogenic outcomes
OR
B) use drugs that have no evidence and could cause harm because vibes...Intentional harm is the same as unintentional harm. You do not do something if you have no idea of the outcome, good intentions don't matter and won't save you.
"youre patient died of liver failure from the cocktail of drugs you gave"... "but there was no known treatment so I intended to help and made up some stuff I thought would help".." I choose anti-malarials because virus's and parasites require completely different treatments and I thought that made sense!!!" If it didnt work I was going to put him on HIV meds!
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NEVER SEEN BEFORE!!!!!! :o :o
The first human coronavirus was discovered in 1965, identified as a virus causing mild respiratory illnesses similar to the common cold.
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NEVER SEEN BEFORE!!!!!! :o :o
The virus was novel. it was not previously identified in humans.
You have no shame!!!
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He's an overrated political shill. His opinion is bought and paid for by big pharma and pushed into politics. I know certain people here worship the ground he walks on, but that shows how easily they are manipulated and led around by their nose rings.
A well paid, overrated political shill. Along with his wife.
Or I should say overpaid.
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Here he is lying about whether he recommended that the country be shut down. The brazen way people like him just outright lie is remarkable. They really think people are stupid.
MAZE
@mazemoore
"Trust the experts." 😜
https://x.com/mazemoore/status/2070477425302294842
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You can't use clinical judgement on something with no data. Such a retarded comment.
Someone comes in with a virus never seen before do you
A) Use known anti-virals and other ameliorants known to work in similar cases- aka fluids, nsaids, mucolytics etc. We have a clear risk profile, side effect profile and no the iatrogenic outcomes
OR
B) use drugs that have no evidence and could cause harm because vibes...Intentional harm is the same as unintentional harm. You do not do something if you have no idea of the outcome, good intentions don't matter and won't save you.
"youre patient died of liver failure from the cocktail of drugs you gave"... "but there was no known treatment so I intended to help and made up some stuff I thought would help".." I choose anti-malarials because virus's and parasites require completely different treatments and I thought that made sense!!!" If it didnt work I was going to put him on HIV meds!
So, if someone came in with a virus, and you gave them an anti-viral with an extremely low risk/side effect profile, that's fine, right?
There were doctors doing stuff like this during covid, and they were vilified. Focusing on early multi-drug repurposed therapy rather than the "wait-and-see" protocols.
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The Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VigilantFox
Rand Paul says he now has emails showing Fauci sent documents to Francis Collins with the instruction: "read it, then DESTROY it."
"That is against the law. You're not allowed to do that in the executive branch."
Paul says there is a good chance this could put Fauci behind bars because his pardon is too vague and too long to hold up in court:
"I think there's a chance we'd win that... You can't give people some kind of pardon for everything."
"His only argument is, 'Oh, it wasn't about government,' and it clearly was. I think a jury would [agree]."
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/2070228991412232355
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Brownstone Institute
@brownstoneinst
Steve Deace reveals the one “peak tyranny” moment from Covid he’ll never forget:
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky “went on CNN and admitted that people who are fully vaccinated can now get and spread the virus.”
“30 days later, Biden signed that executive order demanding that if you worked for a company of 100 or more employees, you had to get the Covid vaccine or you couldn’t work.”
“A month after his own CDC director admitted on national television it doesn’t even work.”
“He still signed that executive order anyway.”
@SteveDeaceShow
@jeffreytucker
https://x.com/brownstoneinst/status/2070578952477798554
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He's an overrated political shill. His opinion is bought and paid for by big pharma and pushed into politics. I know certain people here worship the ground he walks on, but that shows how easily they are manipulated and led around by their nose rings.
To claim that some folks worship the ground Dr. Anthony Fauchi walks on is quite an overstatement, IMO.
Currently, Dr. Fauchi is a professor at George Town University. He retired from government service in 2022. He seems like a fairly regular person, not celebrity or someone seeking to be worshipped. He leads what appears to be a normal life.
Apparently, he is on some Getbigger's minds since they/you cannot seem to stop talking about him. While you likely do not worship the ground he walks on, he seems to have made a huge impression on you, albeit a negative one.
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To claim that some folks worship the ground Dr. Anthony Fauchi walks on is quite an overstatement, IMO.
Are you speaking for everyone?
He seems like a fairly regular person, not celebrity or someone seeking to be worshipped.
Did I say he was seeking to be worshipped?
Apparently, he is on some Getbigger's minds since they/you cannot seem to stop talking about him. While you likely do not worship the ground he walks on, he seems to have made a huge impression on you, albeit a negative one.
He led the charge in fucking over millions of American people and small businesses. While his net worth mysteriously more than doubled, millions of Americans lost everything. We know it doesn't bother you, you're on your way out, but some of us don't forgive or forget.
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fauci got china to shut down stuff and russia and korea and australia etc etc etc...
guys a savage.
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By the nose ring. Moo for me piggy!!
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To claim that some folks worship the ground Dr. Anthony Fauchi walks on is quite an overstatement, IMO.
Currently, Dr. Fauchi is a professor at George Town University. He retired from government service in 2022. He seems like a fairly regular person, not celebrity or someone seeking to be worshipped. He leads what appears to be a normal life.
Apparently, he is on some Getbigger's minds since they/you cannot seem to stop talking about him. While you likely do not worship the ground he walks on, he seems to have made a huge impression on you, albeit a negative one.
Apparently you missed the St. Fauci candles and the folks getting Fauci tattoos. If you want to see the candle, Fauci himself kept one behind his desk.
But his on GBers minds because he's in the news right now. You may not be aware since it's getting no mainstream press.
But anyone with X read Tulsi's post and subsequent follow up stories, including words from Rand Paul.