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https://www.fox26houston.com/news/bodybuilding-legend-lee-haney-needs-kidney-transplant
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Damn suck to hear. :-\
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Awful.
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Genetic predisposition to kidney failure.
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Not that uncommon as I believe he's in his 60s - I've had issues with mine.
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Sorry to hear that.
Obviously one of the greats of the sport.
Good thing he got out when he did.
Was another decade before he had kidney issues.
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There must be some serious schmoes out there who want to "live the dream" by knowing an 8 time Mr Olympia has one of their kidneys! ;D
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There must be some serious schmoes out there who want to "live the dream" by knowing an 8 time Mr Olympia has one of their kidneys! ;D
Yeah he's probably counting on that.
Is there a reason he's looking for a living kidney donor though? Maybe he can't get on the transplant list or something?
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There must be some serious schmoes out there who want to "live the dream" by knowing an 8 time Mr Olympia has one of their kidneys! ;D
Really funny fuckface, try harder
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I`m hoping for the best outcome for Lee.
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Terrible to hear. Wish the best for him.
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Lee had a fantastic physique. One of the greats! Up there with Arnold, Ronnie, Dorian and Sergio. Hopefully he get help with his kidney. I always assumed he escaped bodybuilding with his health.
(https://www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/00a75eef96a893518e96f093d84636fb.jpg)
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Not that uncommon as I believe he's in his 60s - I've had issues with mine.
Sure, but bodybuilding(with PED's) makes you at more risk for it.
Simply because steroids increase blood pressure and hemacrit and that puts a strain on kidneys.
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Let's hope he can buy one suited to him.
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Lee has a big family, non of them are compatible donors?
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The minute Dave breaks the news to coach Chris Aceto that our dear Lee Haney needs a Kidney transplant, this while Chris wants to talk about how bigger and ripped Andre Jack (his client) is coming this weekend to Arnold UK .....
As much as Chris probably like and respect Lee Haney he didn't know the sad news, didnt even reacted or wanted to talk about it
Dave tells him how he knows so many great BB dealing with kidney issues and Awkward how Aceto avoids the topic.
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh The Sport
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The minute Dave breaks the news to coach Chris Aceto that Lee Haney needs a Kidney transplant, this while Chris wants to talk about how bigger and ripped Andre Jack (his client) is coming this weekend to Arnold UK .....
As much as Chris probably like and respect Lee Haney he didn't know the sad news, didnt even reacted or wanted to talk about it
Dave tells him how he knows so many great BB dealing with kidney issues and Awkward how he avoids the topic.
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh The Sport
Typical Aceto. As long as he's not inconvenienced, that's the most important thing to him. Hmmmm Similar to how Jay seemed to not care about his "friend" Dave's health concerns that time. I guess Jay tends to associate with others that have the same philosophy on treating others...
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Lee seems like a great guy
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Sure, but bodybuilding(with PED's) makes you at more risk for it.
Simply because steroids increase blood pressure and hemacrit and that puts a strain on kidneys.
Most gear users are in denial, or simply don't want to hear or read it, but reality will catch up with them:
Abusing anabolic-androgenic steroids can cause serious kidney damage, including acute kidney injury, focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, and chronic kidney disease. These substances can cause high blood pressure, increase workload on the kidneys, and lead to protein in the urine, with some damage reversing after discontinuation.
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
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Key Kidney Problems Associated with Steroid Abuse:
Acute Kidney Injury (AKI): Rapid loss of kidney function, often linked to extreme muscle breakdown (rhabdomyolysis) or direct toxicity.
Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis (FSGS): A scarring condition in the kidneys often seen in bodybuilders using steroids.
Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD): Long-term damage from high blood pressure, protein leakage (proteinuria), and toxic effects on renal tissues.
Kidney Abnormalities: Structural changes including glomerular toxicity and increased kidney size (via Growth Hormone use).
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
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Key Risks and Factors:
High Dosage: Abuse of anabolic steroids (AAS) is a public health concern, particularly among bodybuilders.
Combined Supplements: Combining steroids with high protein intake or creatine can heighten risks.
Reversibility: Studies suggest that kidney function may improve if anabolic steroids are discontinued.
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
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Important Distinctions:
Anabolic Steroids (AAS) are used to build muscle and are often abused, causing the damage described above.
Corticosteroids are anti-inflammatory medications used to treat certain kidney diseases, though they have their own, different side effects (e.g., hypertension, infection risk).
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
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Note: The risks listed here are generally associated with the misuse or abuse of anabolic-androgenic steroids, often in high doses by bodybuilders.
Although I don't think Haney has ever used growth hormones. Diuretics, maybe
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Always seemed a well rounded guy, no faggotry or scandals ( that I've heard )
Hopefully he'll get a donor :)
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Most gear users are in denial, or simply don't want to hear or read it, but reality will catch up with them:
Abusing anabolic-androgenic steroids can cause serious kidney damage, including acute kidney injury, focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, and chronic kidney disease. These substances can cause high blood pressure, increase workload on the kidneys, and lead to protein in the urine, with some damage reversing after discontinuation.
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
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Key Kidney Problems Associated with Steroid Abuse:
Acute Kidney Injury (AKI): Rapid loss of kidney function, often linked to extreme muscle breakdown (rhabdomyolysis) or direct toxicity.
Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis (FSGS): A scarring condition in the kidneys often seen in bodybuilders using steroids.
Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD): Long-term damage from high blood pressure, protein leakage (proteinuria), and toxic effects on renal tissues.
Kidney Abnormalities: Structural changes including glomerular toxicity and increased kidney size (via Growth Hormone use).
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
+5
Key Risks and Factors:
High Dosage: Abuse of anabolic steroids (AAS) is a public health concern, particularly among bodybuilders.
Combined Supplements: Combining steroids with high protein intake or creatine can heighten risks.
Reversibility: Studies suggest that kidney function may improve if anabolic steroids are discontinued.
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
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Important Distinctions:
Anabolic Steroids (AAS) are used to build muscle and are often abused, causing the damage described above.
Corticosteroids are anti-inflammatory medications used to treat certain kidney diseases, though they have their own, different side effects (e.g., hypertension, infection risk).
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
+4
Note: The risks listed here are generally associated with the misuse or abuse of anabolic-androgenic steroids, often in high doses by bodybuilders.
Although I don't think Haney has ever used growth hormones. Diuretics, maybe
When young Rich Gaspary showed up at the Olympia with striated glutes and took second place , I'm sure Lee Haney and everyone at that level used diuretics at some degree.
Samir Bamout 83' Christmas tree back ripped and flawless I'm sure there was a lot of motivation to hit the diurectics in the early 80's.
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH The 80's
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Most gear users are in denial, or simply don't want to hear or read it, but reality will catch up with them:
Abusing anabolic-androgenic steroids can cause serious kidney damage, including acute kidney injury, focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, and chronic kidney disease. These substances can cause high blood pressure, increase workload on the kidneys, and lead to protein in the urine, with some damage reversing after discontinuation.
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
+4
Key Kidney Problems Associated with Steroid Abuse:
Acute Kidney Injury (AKI): Rapid loss of kidney function, often linked to extreme muscle breakdown (rhabdomyolysis) or direct toxicity.
Focal Segmental Glomerulosclerosis (FSGS): A scarring condition in the kidneys often seen in bodybuilders using steroids.
Chronic Kidney Disease (CKD): Long-term damage from high blood pressure, protein leakage (proteinuria), and toxic effects on renal tissues.
Kidney Abnormalities: Structural changes including glomerular toxicity and increased kidney size (via Growth Hormone use).
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
+5
Key Risks and Factors:
High Dosage: Abuse of anabolic steroids (AAS) is a public health concern, particularly among bodybuilders.
Combined Supplements: Combining steroids with high protein intake or creatine can heighten risks.
Reversibility: Studies suggest that kidney function may improve if anabolic steroids are discontinued.
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
+2
Important Distinctions:
Anabolic Steroids (AAS) are used to build muscle and are often abused, causing the damage described above.
Corticosteroids are anti-inflammatory medications used to treat certain kidney diseases, though they have their own, different side effects (e.g., hypertension, infection risk).
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
Columbia University Irving Medical Center
+4
Note: The risks listed here are generally associated with the misuse or abuse of anabolic-androgenic steroids, often in high doses by bodybuilders.
Although I don't think Haney has ever used growth hormones. Diuretics, maybe
abusing anything will cause damage.
take 100 anavar tabs = nothing happens
take 100 paracetamol = death
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There must be some serious schmoes out there who want to "live the dream" by knowing an 8 time Mr Olympia has one of their kidneys! ;D
Not. I don't think young schmoes have any idea who Haney is; he was from the pre internet era. And old schmoes are themselves physically falling apart and in no condition to donate anything. Finally, he is not big anymore so no schmoe is going to get excited over him. True he was totalee awesome in his day... but that was nearly 40 years ago. ::)
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abusing anything will cause damage.
take 100 anavar tabs = nothing happens
take 100 paracetamol = death
Or 100 shots of whiskey. Or 100 beers unless you are Andre The Giant. Get well soon, Lee.
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Bhanks posted on FB earlier today that he took the test.
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Bhanks posted on FB earlier today that he took the test.
What test?
To prove he is MENSA?
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Bhanks posted on FB earlier today that he took the test.
By Bhanks logic if he is a match and Haney accepts the kidney that makes him an 8 x mr Olympia.
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https://www.fox26houston.com/news/bodybuilding-legend-lee-haney-needs-kidney-transplant
Saw this - also noticed the post was 'liked' by Beau Baisden - maybe he could help line up a juicy Brazilian kidney for Mr O...
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Saw this - also noticed the post was 'liked' by Beau Baisden - maybe he could help line up a juicy Brazilian kidney for Mr O...
Don't forget Beau Baisden is best friends with Lee Haney.
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Has Guy Cisterno weighed in yet?
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Has Guy Cisterno weighed in yet?
Too broken up to talk about it. Been crying all week.
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By Bhanks logic if he is a match and Haney accepts the kidney that makes him an 8 x mr Olympia.
Ironically true in his infantile mind! LOL ;D
Let`s not forget he can beat Oliva,Arnold,Reeves,Zane,Pearl, etc. etc. etc. :D
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Bhanks posted on FB earlier today that he took the test.
Lee would turn down a kidney from BHanks.
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The minute Dave breaks the news to coach Chris Aceto that our dear Lee Haney needs a Kidney transplant, this while Chris wants to talk about how bigger and ripped Andre Jack (his client) is coming this weekend to Arnold UK .....
As much as Chris probably like and respect Lee Haney he didn't know the sad news, didnt even reacted or wanted to talk about it
Dave tells him how he knows so many great BB dealing with kidney issues and Awkward how Aceto avoids the topic.
WooooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh The Sport
Typical scum bag aceto! Would love to punch him square in the face, a long with clown shoes palumbo
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Typical scum bag aceto! Would love to punch him square in the face, a long with clown shoes palumbo
what do you expect? he´s a Muslim
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what do you expect? he´s a Muslim
Even worse: a convert.
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Even worse: a convert.
a truly disgusting human being
no doubt ignored the plight of Lee Haney because Lee is a devout Christian
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Typical scum bag aceto! Would love to punch him square in the face, a long with clown shoes palumbo
Well he pimped his wife Laura for many years to make money so what can you expect ;D
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Aceto looks like an old Massachusetts lesbo
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Aceto looks like an old Massachusetts lesbo
Or Bev Francis
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Or Bev Francis
Aceto better not turn his back to Steve W!
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He needs one kidney? Does that mean one is already fried? ???
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He needs one kidney? Does that mean one is already fried? ???
no it means they are both fried, you only ever get one kidney in a transplant
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no it means they are both fried, you only ever get one kidney in a transplant
My dad was on the list for one but decided just on dialysis instead.
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Typical scum bag aceto! Would love to punch him square in the face, a long with clown shoes palumbo
Aceto told Palumbo to post an 80's picture of him with Lee Haney this past Monday when lee was at his peak because Lee Haney said nice things to Aceto's Bodybuilder kid at the Arnold UK
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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hey just to chime in here, lee quit competing at what age 32 which is young bye todays standards
and he slimmed down pretty fast i dont remember seeing any pics of him looking jacked since he retired. i wonder if this is a combination of genetics and past steroid use, but you would think the symptoms would have showed up way faster from the bodybuilding life style, of course working in a hostpital when i was younger i used to take people to dialysis i had people in ther 20's and 30's with bad kidneys
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hey just to chime in here, lee quit competing at what age 32 which is young bye todays standards
and he slimmed down pretty fast i dont remember seeing any pics of him looking jacked since he retired. i wonder if this is a combination of genetics and past steroid use, but you would think the symptoms would have showed up way faster from the bodybuilding life style, of course working in a hostpital when i was younger i used to take people to dialysis i had people in ther 20's and 30's with bad kidneys
I had the pleasure of meet him at a gym opening in 1995 he was around 230 and ripped you could see paper thin skin, his triceps looked like they were put on top of his arms he was around 34 years old at that time ,,,,,,
But I think the diuretics he used through the 80s took a toll on his kidneys. :'(
8x Mr Olympia and he did manage to get past his mid 60's with his own kidneys.
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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hey just to chime in here, lee quit competing at what age 32 which is young bye todays standards
and he slimmed down pretty fast i dont remember seeing any pics of him looking jacked since he retired. i wonder if this is a combination of genetics and past steroid use, but you would think the symptoms would have showed up way faster from the bodybuilding life style, of course working in a hostpital when i was younger i used to take people to dialysis i had people in ther 20's and 30's with bad kidneys
Bodybuilding and steroids may have had nothing to do with it but the it's always a question for former bodybuilders.
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Many kidneys were roasted over the fire of Aceto's protocols ... dude knows how to play the highest note on any organ.
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Many kidneys were roasted over the fire of Aceto's protocols ... dude knows how to play the highest note on any organ.
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Wow did not know that
I know Milo’s fried a few to luke wood who used to post on here was a Milo’s guy who died young
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abusing anything will cause damage.
take 100 anavar tabs = nothing happens
take 100 paracetamol = death
Taking 100 anavar is not abuse??
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Well he pimped his wife Laura for many years to make money so what can you expect ;D
What?!?!?!?!?!
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hey just to chime in here, lee quit competing at what age 32 which is young bye todays standards
and he slimmed down pretty fast i dont remember seeing any pics of him looking jacked since he retired. i wonder if this is a combination of genetics and past steroid use, but you would think the symptoms would have showed up way faster from the bodybuilding life style, of course working in a hostpital when i was younger i used to take people to dialysis i had people in ther 20's and 30's with bad kidneys
what was the general cause? disease or high bloodpressure?
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Aceto better not turn his back to Steve W!
Bwa ha ha
I bet big Steve has definitely got ahold of Chris
He was like. “ Chris if you want your guys to place high in the Olympia you better pay a visit to uncle Steve at his office today”
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Can't just blame Aceto. It's most if not all of the "guru's" and bodybuilding coaches who claim they read labs. The only thing most look at is the hemotology, testosterone, Cholesterol, a1c but not the most important. BUN, Creatinine, eGFR, Amylase and the hematology associated ESPECIALLY with bodybuilding. It's just not steroids and diuretics to blame. Most if the time it's NSAIDS, not controlling BP (high). When labs are pulled one of the FIRST indicators that should be looked at is kidney function. If BUN is high, Creatinine is out of range and eGFR is low pass on training that person and tell them they need to see a nephrologist
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Can't just blame Aceto. It's most if not all of the "guru's" and bodybuilding coaches who claim they read labs. The only thing most look at is the hemotology, testosterone, Cholesterol, a1c but not the most important. BUN, Creatinine, eGFR, Amylase and the hematology associated ESPECIALLY with bodybuilding. It's just not steroids and diuretics to blame. Most if the time it's NSAIDS, not controlling BP (high). When labs are pulled one of the FIRST indicators that should be looked at is kidney function. If BUN is high, Creatinine is out of range and eGFR is low pass on training that person and tell them they need to see a nephrologist
Thanks, Dr. Marino.
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Thanks, Dr. Marino.
I’m here to educate. Hope this helps
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Can't just blame Aceto. It's most if not all of the "guru's" and bodybuilding coaches who claim they read labs. The only thing most look at is the hemotology, testosterone, Cholesterol, a1c but not the most important. BUN, Creatinine, eGFR, Amylase and the hematology associated ESPECIALLY with bodybuilding. It's just not steroids and diuretics to blame. Most if the time it's NSAIDS, not controlling BP (high). When labs are pulled one of the FIRST indicators that should be looked at is kidney function. If BUN is high, Creatinine is out of range and eGFR is low pass on training that person and tell them they need to see a nephrologist
There's TONS of talk about kidneys in the bodybuilding community. I think the coaches do look at the kidney labs as there's been so much talk about. All the "top" ones I've seen on social media say they do it, it's a priority it seems. That's aside from the wisdom of laypersons playing doctor; just making sure I'm not misunderstood LOL. But if your experience hearing about coaches is different I have no reason to doubt you.
Dante Doggcrapp touts the herb astragalus. Says he's brought back MANY pros and amateurs from the brink of kidney failure with it, along with stopping the juice. 2 grams morning and night, Vitamin Shoppe brand IIRC. It lowered my creatinine and tons of similar testimonials on the forums, seems reliable in that respect. Question in my mind is if it just lowers lab values, sort of as a fake indicator, or is it actually protecting the kidneys. Thought I'd mention it in case someone here has highish creatinine and wants to try it. Check the brand to make sure, apparently NOW foods for example doesn't work. Dante recommends all juicers to use it proactively, I don't think it will hurt. Are you familiar with it Coach?
AI Overview
Astragalus (Huang Qi) is an herb used in Traditional Chinese Medicine known for its potential to protect the kidneys. Research suggests it may help slow the progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) by reducing inflammation, preventing kidney scarring (fibrosis), and improving blood flow
Key Benefits
Slows Kidney Decline: Studies, including recent multi-center trials in diabetic patients with CKD, suggest astragalus can help stabilize the estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) and slow kidney function decline.
Reduces Proteinuria: It is frequently investigated for its ability to lower protein in the urine—a major indicator of kidney damage and disease progression.
Antioxidant & Anti-Inflammatory: Compounds in the root, like astragaloside IV, help protect kidney tissues from oxidative damage and reduce inflammation.
Supports Diabetic Nephropathy: Because astragalus also helps lower blood sugar and improve metabolic function, it is heavily researched as an adjunctive treatment for diabetic kidney disease
As far as kidney labs go, one of dj's favorite youtubers, Pro BB Dr Todd, I think he's an actual MD, claims the GFR and creatinine value are worthless for a bb, you need to get your Cystatin-C. He has an arrogant style so I haven't watched much.
There's a bunch of meds that theoretically could help protect bb'ers kidneys when used prophylactically, and many use them, but my posts get too long :D
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As far as kidney labs go, one of dj's favorite youtubers, Pro BB Dr Todd, I think he's an actual MD, claims the GFR and creatinine value are worthless for a bb, you need to get your Cystatin-C. He has an arrogant style so I haven't watched much.
I don't know if I'd say they're worthless, but they could be elevated from higher muscle mass and not necessarily indicative of poorly functioning kidneys. The cystatin C test isn't a bad idea. Urine studies for albumin or creatinine could also be done.
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There's TONS of talk about kidneys in the bodybuilding community. I think the coaches do look at the kidney labs as there's been so much talk about. All the "top" ones I've seen on social media say they do it, it's a priority it seems. That's aside from the wisdom of laypersons playing doctor; just making sure I'm not misunderstood LOL. But if your experience hearing about coaches is different I have no reason to doubt you.
Dante Doggcrapp touts the herb astragalus. Says he's brought back MANY pros and amateurs from the brink of kidney failure with it, along with stopping the juice. 2 grams morning and night, Vitamin Shoppe brand IIRC. It lowered my creatinine and tons of similar testimonials on the forums, seems reliable in that respect. Question in my mind is if it just lowers lab values, sort of as a fake indicator, or is it actually protecting the kidneys. Thought I'd mention it in case someone here has highish creatinine and wants to try it. Check the brand to make sure, apparently NOW foods for example doesn't work. Dante recommends all juicers to use it proactively, I don't think it will hurt. Are you familiar with it Coach?
AI Overview
Astragalus (Huang Qi) is an herb used in Traditional Chinese Medicine known for its potential to protect the kidneys. Research suggests it may help slow the progression of chronic kidney disease (CKD) by reducing inflammation, preventing kidney scarring (fibrosis), and improving blood flow
Key Benefits
Slows Kidney Decline: Studies, including recent multi-center trials in diabetic patients with CKD, suggest astragalus can help stabilize the estimated glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) and slow kidney function decline.
Reduces Proteinuria: It is frequently investigated for its ability to lower protein in the urine—a major indicator of kidney damage and disease progression.
Antioxidant & Anti-Inflammatory: Compounds in the root, like astragaloside IV, help protect kidney tissues from oxidative damage and reduce inflammation.
Supports Diabetic Nephropathy: Because astragalus also helps lower blood sugar and improve metabolic function, it is heavily researched as an adjunctive treatment for diabetic kidney disease
As far as kidney labs go, one of dj's favorite youtubers, Pro BB Dr Todd, I think he's an actual MD, claims the GFR and creatinine value are worthless for a bb, you need to get your Cystatin-C. He has an arrogant style so I haven't watched much.
There's a bunch of meds that theoretically could help protect bb'ers kidneys when used prophylactically, and many use them, but my posts get too long :D
I agree with taking Cystatin into consideration. But if you get labs back that suggest you’re in or heading towards 4th Stage CKD even if you might be at a 3a or b and Urine tests come back you’re dumping protein Its not a “coaches” call to play doctor. It would call for kidney/bladder imaging to see if there’s if it’s temporary injury or permanent damage.
If your Creatinine is right around 1.8-2.0 + and your eGFR is in the 40’’s or 30’s chances of heading back to normal numbers are almost 0. Depending on the damage you might expect if stage 4 with an eGFR lets say 30, might be able to recover at 34-36.
It’s absurd to say those baselines are “worthless”
Find a Nephrologist that deals with athletes not one only for the general public
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It’s absurd to say those baselines are “worthless”
Find a Nephrologist that deals with athletes not one only for the general public
Yeah, that guy is very self assured though and it's hard for the lay person to argue against an "MD." I recently had an acute kidney injury but recovered to my "normal." They've refused to order any Cystatin-C for me since I'm just curious, they are very rigid here and apparently have certain exacting protocols and don't want to waste money on "unnecessary" tests.
That Todd fella says not to worry about high hematocrit. When you get tested by your doc or want to donate blood, just drink a gallon of water before and you will "pass" no problem, everything will be in range :D From my readings it seems to me highish numbers aren't as dangerous as many assume; also regular blood donation seems like an overall bad idea. But opinions seem to vary. I once "challenged" a respected HRT doc, I asked him if it's true there's really no evidence high numbers as a result of HRT is dangerous and he he said that's true, they just don't like to see those numbers on labs. I don't have to worry about that though, I have anemia for some mysterious reason they haven't been able to figure out.
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Yeah, that guy is very self assured though and it's hard for the lay person to argue against an "MD." I recently had an acute kidney injury but recovered to my "normal." They've refused to order any Cystatin-C for me since I'm just curious, they are very rigid here and apparently have certain exacting protocols and don't want to waste money on "unnecessary" tests.
That Todd fella says not to worry about high hematocrit. When you get tested by your doc or want to donate blood, just drink a gallon of water before and you will "pass" no problem, everything will be in range :D From my readings it seems to me highish numbers aren't as dangerous as many assume; also regular blood donation seems like an overall bad idea. But opinions seem to vary. I once "challenged" a respected HRT doc, I asked him if it's true there's really no evidence high numbers as a result of HRT is dangerous and he he said that's true, they just don't like to see those numbers on labs. I don't have to worry about that though, I have anemia for some mysterious reason they haven't been able to figure out.
Perhaps you didn't read all of my post or just flat out didn't understand it. Me thinks it's the latter. Do you understand the difference between acute and chronic?
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Hopefully Lee doesn't receive a rabid kidney.
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Perhaps you didn't read all of my post or just flat out didn't understand it. Me thinks it's the latter. Do you understand the difference between acute and chronic?
I often write and post so fast I word things wrong and it becomes unclear. Or sometimes I read wrong or plain misunderstand. I'm not exactly sure what you refer to here, sorry. I just threw in that I had an acute kidney issue recently. Previous to this, in years past, I've had highish creatinine and lowish eGFR and they didn't want to order a Cystatin-C panel when I asked out of curiosity, apparently they thought it was unnecessary in my case.
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Yeah, that guy is very self assured though and it's hard for the lay person to argue against an "MD." I recently had an acute kidney injury but recovered to my "normal." They've refused to order any Cystatin-C for me since I'm just curious, they are very rigid here and apparently have certain exacting protocols and don't want to waste money on "unnecessary" tests.
That Todd fella says not to worry about high hematocrit. When you get tested by your doc or want to donate blood, just drink a gallon of water before and you will "pass" no problem, everything will be in range :D From my readings it seems to me highish numbers aren't as dangerous as many assume; also regular blood donation seems like an overall bad idea. But opinions seem to vary. I once "challenged" a respected HRT doc, I asked him if it's true there's really no evidence high numbers as a result of HRT is dangerous and he he said that's true, they just don't like to see those numbers on labs. I don't have to worry about that though, I have anemia for some mysterious reason they haven't been able to figure out.
Thoughts on creatine and kidneys?
For some medical screenings in the past I had to stop using creatine as it threw the creatinine levels out of range.
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Thoughts on creatine and kidneys?
For some medical screenings in the past I had to stop using creatine as it threw the creatinine levels out of range.
I haven't had enough kidney labs to know if creatine increases creatinine for me. Conflicting information on the net last time I checked, I think many said no. As you know a hard workout can and will increase creatinine temporarily as well.
However, even if creatine increases creatinine it doesn't mean creatine is bad for the kidneys; it doesn't seem to be the case. A while back I tried 30 gram morning doses as I read that studies show it cancels out cognitive performance decreases due to sleep deprivation. Interesting stuff.
I first used creatine back in 1993 IIRC!
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Thoughts on creatine and kidneys?
For some medical screenings in the past I had to stop using creatine as it threw the creatinine levels out of range.
I last used creatine about 25 years ago. It blows you up because you hold back water. And I saw some strength improvements. But I felt like it was fucking me up with urinating, etc. Maybe I used a little too much at a time. I get blood and urine work once or twice per year. My kidneys are in good shape. My doctor claimed teenage levels. I need to drink more water though. I used to be religious about taking in a lot of water. Now I get it through decaf and flavored water (sugar free), and some plain water at the gym.
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I last used creatine about 25 years ago. It blows you up because you hold back water. And I saw some strength improvements. But I felt like it was fucking me up with urinating, etc. Maybe I used a little too much at a time. I get blood and urine work once or twice per year. My kidneys are in good shape. My doctor claimed teenage levels. I need to drink more water though. I used to be religious about taking in a lot of water. Now I get it through decaf and flavored water (sugar free), and some plain water at the gym.
It makes me piss like crazy! I always ask others if they notice this effect but usually they haven't thought about it. It makes me gain weight, as it should, yet I'm pissing tons. Obviously I must be drinking more than excreting but at first thought it seems like it's a crazy diuretic, which isn't true of course.
I think creatine is a useful and worthwhile supp, healthy even, but I usually run out and "forget" about buying more.
I think those who claim it bloats them must be exaggerating, I haven't ever seen it make me hold subcutaneous water, it's intracellular and intramuscular which is a good thing. A hydrated cell is more anabolic they say. I don't know about others but for me more water in the muscle is positive from most angles.
Drinking lots of water is good as long as you are taking in enough electrolytes. Otherwise you risk diluting your minerals.
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When i was a teen and started bodybuilding, imported FLEX magazine was the only source of bodybuilding information in my country. I never understood why half of FLEX were urology and cardiology adds.
Now i know..
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When i was a teen and started bodybuilding, imported FLEX magazine was the only source of bodybuilding information in my country. I never understood why half of FLEX were urology and cardiology adds.
Now i know..
:D Brutal but true.
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I hope he finds a donor. I'm glad I chose the natty way
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The kidneys are filters. Everything you put in your body ends up going through them in some form or another.
All it takes is one kidney stone to become acutely aware of their function, lol
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The kidneys are filters. Everything you put in your body ends up going through them in some form or another.
All it takes is one kidney stone to become acutely aware of their function, lol
they also get destroyed by high bloodpressure over long time. As in what most bodybuilders has.
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they also get destroyed by high bloodpressure over long time. As in what most bodybuilders has.
Yes and in times past bodybuilders paid no mind to blood pressure for the most part. I wish I had always monitored it regularly. Now many bodybuilders use blood pressure medication, some even start it with normal BP.
I remember some time back when Fouad Abiad said he didn't know you could take BP medication and bodybuild. Don't you know that stuff is for sick people! I remember someone on this forum successfully used low dose Cialis to lower BP, as many other bodybuilders do. If that's enough, great, I think. It can be very mildly anabolic, might help fat loss, help you piss with prostate enlargement, as well as give you muscle pumps. Besides the penis pumps ofc. I like to use it as an addition to other meds, only it often gives me heart burn and that can be a major pain.
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I remember decades ago one of my buddies said all "tablets" were rough on the kidneys, to include oral anabolics. It's a bit of a silly "unstudied" thought I think. I mean what if you pressed potatos or carrots into tablets, still rough on the kidneys? A thought experiment LOL. Some oral steroid may be extra rough on the kidneys but the main mechanism by which all steroids can cause kidney damage is high BP over time, as MAXX says. I'm not sure how my buddy reasoned, maybe he had some childish thought process where the kidneys had a hard time breaking up tightly pressed hard tablets, I don't know :D
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I hope he finds a donor. I'm glad I chose the natty way
Most with kidney disease never used Anabolics.
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A while back I tried 30 gram morning doses as I read that studies show it cancels out cognitive performance decreases due to sleep deprivation. Interesting stuff.
Funny, there are several recent studies talking about higher dose creatine and its effects on cognitive function and bone density of older users. 30 grams was, I believe, the max the studies used. I also think the brand of creatine is important, the check for purity is rare in the bbing community.
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Funny, there are several recent studies talking about higher dose creatine and its effects on cognitive function and bone density of older users. 30 grams was, I believe, the max the studies used. I also think the brand of creatine is important, the check for purity is rare in the bbing community.
I usually pick the German Creapure brand if there is a choice although the cheaper brands are probably good enough. I remember that DiLauro guy posting on here that Creapure was "shit", without evidence, though :D
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I agree with Dorian for someone on steroids creatine is probably useless. Because as he says here your muscles by steroids with already be loaded with ATP. Probably from the increased blood volume, but maybe from some other mechanism
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Most with kidney disease never used Anabolics.
Bro...
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Most with kidney disease never used Anabolics.
How about those who use steroids, not likely to suffer from kidney issues?
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Did he get a getbiggers kidney yet?
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I'm sick and tired of genetic predisposition ailments being blamed on Joe Weider.
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I'm sick and tired of genetic predisposition ailments being blamed on Joe Weider.
:D No shit!
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Did he get a getbiggers kidney yet?
I'll let you know July 1 and August 3
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I'm sick and tired of genetic predisposition ailments being blamed on Joe Weider.
I forgot that blacks have genetically higher kidney markers, they use a different scale for blacks at the doctors office, as well as higher incidence of kidney disease if I'm not mistaken.
I agree with Dorian for someone on steroids creatine is probably useless. Because as he says here your muscles by steroids with already be loaded with ATP. Probably from the increased blood volume, but maybe from some other mechanism
Creatine levels in muscles increase with steroids and Anavar is often cited as an example since there is a reference for it. I think many mistakenly thought this was exclusive to Anavar. I think creatine supps probably drive that up even higher so in that case a supp wouldn't be worthless. Also there might be other mechanisms, kind of like EPO could have added performance enhancing effects for a bodybuilder even though steroids already increase red blood cells.
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In the bodybuilding world, it’s never drugs. It’s always predisposed, that’s what I learned so I’m safe taking 10 grams a gear weekly
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In the bodybuilding world, it’s never drugs. It’s always predisposed, that’s what I learned so I’m safe taking 10 grams a gear weekly
Lee may have had some genetic disadvantages? :D
AI Overview
Yes, Black adults have significantly higher rates of high blood pressure and chronic kidney disease (CKD) compared to other demographic groups. Additionally, blood tests may show higher creatinine levels, though this does not always mean they have worse kidney function. These health disparities are detailed below:
Kidney Disease Prevalence:
Black Americans are disproportionately affected by kidney disease, making them nearly 3 times as likely to experience kidney failure compared to white Americans.
Blood Pressure Rates: High blood pressure (hypertension) affects approximately 58% of Black adults. It is one of the leading drivers of kidney disease and often develops earlier in life and is more severe in Black populations.
Creatinine Levels: Historically, blood tests for kidney function (eGFR) included a "Black race variable" because studies noted that Black individuals, on average, have slightly higher creatinine concentrations in their blood. However, the medical community found this flawed and now recommends race-free formulas, as elevated creatinine is rarely a simple result of inherent genetic differences.
These differences in kidney disease and blood pressure are heavily linked to social determinants of health, such as economic disparities, systemic inequities, lack of healthcare access, and higher rates of diabetes and obesity, rather than inherent biological destiny.
Question is if the medical and scientific community really think the variabilities are due to social factors or if they want to diminish the importance of genetics as they have done in the case of IQ, where they have issued guidelines on how disseminate new genetic research as it pertains to race and cognitive function so as not to incite the "racists." And of course they insist there's really no such thing as human "races."
Why the black race variable, that multiplied results for Black patients by 1.16 to 1.21, was Removed
Major medical organizations, including the National Kidney Foundation (NKF) and the American Society of Nephrology, officially phased out the use of the Black race variable in eGFR equations. The change stems from several critical shifts in clinical understanding:
Race is a Social Construct: The variable relied on socially assigned race rather than biological genetics. It failed to account for individuals of mixed ancestry or diverse backgrounds.
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Can someone recommend a good brand of Creatine that doesn`t cost a zillion bucks......no more gear for me since I got sick and I`m having a hard time gaining bodyweight since it`s hard for my body to digest fats now...........though my body composition is changing I look a lot better now that I did at first in a pretty short time.
Auschwitz Survivor of Peace
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Can someone recommend a good brand of Creatine that doesn`t cost a zillion bucks......no more gear for me since I got sick and I`m having a hard time gaining bodyweight since it`s hard for my body to digest fats now...........though my body composition is changing I look a lot better now that I did at first in a pretty short time.
Auschwitz Survivor of Peace
Check with docs first but I would get a brand that says it's the German Creapure, generally seen as the standard of quality. It shouldn't be that expensive.
Do you take Creon pancreatic enzymes? I'm taking it now after my pancreatitis troubles. I seem to have some problems digesting food as well and the Creon is for that. I should probably demand some tests for vitamin status and perhaps get some B vitamin shots regardless.
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Check with docs first but I would get a brand that says it's the German Creapure, generally seen as the standard of quality. It shouldn't be that expensive.
Do you take Creon pancreatic enzymes? I'm taking it now after my pancreatitis troubles. I seem to have some problems digesting food as well and the Creon is for that. I should probably demand some tests for vitamin status and perhaps get some B vitamin shots regardless.
Thanks Van.....yes I have to take Creon after all meals and snacks.
Good idea on the Vitamin B shots.....I`m also gonna` ask him about TRT as I have a ton of Test but I`m very leary/scared shitless of taking it. :D
Thanks again old friend......great advice ;)
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Can someone recommend a good brand of Creatine that doesn`t cost a zillion bucks......no more gear for me since I got sick and I`m having a hard time gaining bodyweight since it`s hard for my body to digest fats now...........though my body composition is changing I look a lot better now that I did at first in a pretty short time.
Auschwitz Survivor of Peace
I use this stuff. Can get it on amazon.
https://puori.com/products/puori-creatine-performance-support
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No wonder Flex Wheeler and Cbum remain so calm and collected when they’ve bumped into Lee at the expos lately
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Can someone recommend a good brand of Creatine that doesn`t cost a zillion bucks......no more gear for me since I got sick and I`m having a hard time gaining bodyweight since it`s hard for my body to digest fats now...........though my body composition is changing I look a lot better now that I did at first in a pretty short time.
Auschwitz Survivor of Peace
Just do yoga. ;D
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No wonder Flex Wheeler and Cbum remain so calm and collected when they’ve bumped into Lee at the expos lately
Flex wheeler at this point might as well give one of his kidneys he got from the church donor to Haney
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I use this stuff. Can get it on amazon.
https://puori.com/products/puori-creatine-performance-support
Thanks chaos,I`ll definitely order some. ;)
Just do yoga. ;D
:D
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Thanks Van.....yes I have to take Creon after all meals and snacks.
Good idea on the Vitamin B shots.....I`m also gonna` ask him about TRT as I have a ton of Test but I`m very leary/scared shitless of taking it. :D
Thanks again old friend......great advice ;)
I was just prescribed a B vitamin pill during my last bout with pancreatitis. Thing with pancreas problems is that the body may not absorb vitamins well orally, which is why I thought of the shots.
I can imagine that the test is calling your name LOL. Ask the doc for sure 8)
I use this stuff. Can get it on amazon.
https://puori.com/products/puori-creatine-performance-support
Looks like a great product. I like the inclusion of taurine, many possible health benefits.
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Daryl Hall took Lee's kidney:
https://www.dailymail.com/tvshowbiz/article-15926053/daryl-hall-oates-kidney-transplant.html
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Looks like a great product. I like the inclusion of taurine, many possible health benefits.
So far it's great. Mixes easy enough with water, no flavor and that gritty shit dissolves after a few minutes and shakes.
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So far it's great. Mixes easy enough with water, no flavor and that gritty shit dissolves after a few minutes and shakes.
I used to mix creatine in hot water. Not sure if it enhances absorption but the creatine dissolves better. Of course creatine uptake is enhanced by insulin so I usually have it around workouts with liquid carbs. But however it's taken it's going to work. Someone said Milos has his athletes take 80 grams a day LOL. Now that some are taking single doses of 30 grams for cognitive benefits that doesn't sound quite as insane anymore :D
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I used to mix creatine in hot water. Not sure if it enhances absorption but the creatine dissolves better. Of course creatine uptake is enhanced by insulin so I usually have it around workouts with liquid carbs. But however it's taken it's going to work. Someone said Milos has his athletes take 80 grams a day LOL. Now that some are taking single doses of 30 grams for cognitive benefits that doesn't sound quite as insane anymore :D
I never heard the 80g/day. LOL some of you rumor mills, do you guys just make shit up?
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I can imagine that the test is calling your name LOL. Ask the doc for sure 8)
Indeed it haunts my dreams! LOL ;D
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I never heard the 80g/day. LOL some of you rumor mills, do you guys just make shit up?
There's no reason to make shit like that up, is how I see it. If the guy has them take 25 IUs of insulin before and after workouts, twice daily, sometimes intravenously!, what's that creatine dosage in context? Entirely believable. Even the diets are crazy, 100 grams of protein at bedtime and then get up in the middle of the night and have another 100 grams, so you don't go catabolic I guess LOL. If you don't want extreme don't get into bodybuilding is how Milos puts it. Even that madman Jordan Peters said he felt like he was dying when he was personally coached by Milos at his gym and he had to stop. And this is a guy who had taken 6 grams of gear a week.
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I used to mix creatine in hot water. Not sure if it enhances absorption but the creatine dissolves better. Of course creatine uptake is enhanced by insulin so I usually have it around workouts with liquid carbs. But however it's taken it's going to work. Someone said Milos has his athletes take 80 grams a day LOL. Now that some are taking single doses of 30 grams for cognitive benefits that doesn't sound quite as insane anymore :D
You have to take it with grape juice so it absorbs better ;D
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I never heard the 80g/day. LOL some of you rumor mills, do you guys just make shit up?
"someone said it" lots of similarity to Hankins in the bullshitting whatever to support claims, kind of a mental/verbal diarrhoea coupled with believing anything anyone says regardless of how outlandish thrown up by his algorithm. Bodybuilders are unbeleivable liars, apply some common sense.
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You have to take it with grape juice so it absorbs better ;D
Now this is fucking wisdom!
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You have to take it with grape juice so it absorbs better ;D
There's the secret to big muscles!!
"someone said it" lots of similarity to Hankins in the bullshitting whatever to support claims, kind of a mental/verbal diarrhoea coupled with believing anything anyone says regardless of how outlandish thrown up by his algorithm. Bodybuilders are unbeleivable liars, apply some common sense.
Vans posts almost always have that caveat of "I heard, someone said, rumor has it, etc" it takes away any responsibility for whatever bullshit he writes next. ;)