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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2275 on: May 13, 2026, 06:42:57 AM »
Cliff's Notes:

Americans should ignore the US State Departments Annual Country Reports on Terrorism because, well, because Iran only threatens Israel and never did nuthin' wrong to nobody else.

US are the real terrorists

Takes an MIT professor's word as that Iran could have always made nukes, but chose not to, since they're not crazy and if they get them, more of their neighbors will (this contradicts Necrosis' theory that Obama's Iran deal would have kept them from making nukes, but I digress)

Would be difficult to get the uranium (true).
Why doesn't anyone recognize that Eeron fucked off the obama deal years ago? Why does the left keep pretending that was still intact?
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2276 on: May 13, 2026, 07:23:14 AM »
The same way we just took Venzzy's oil too?  Because we "handled" that?

Why not spread out among other NATO allies?  Oh wait... they don't even think we are in the right with this war either.

Can you ever stay on topic?

I don't care if we get it or our allies.

As long as Iran or any of our adversaries don't.

Who do you want to have it?

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2277 on: May 13, 2026, 07:26:59 AM »
Of course you don't.  Because doing so would cause that little passive neutrality facade to crumble under the weight of simple logic.

No, it's just irrelevant to the here and now.  Trump said we delayed their programs for years after the first strikes.  If he was wrong, or the info changed, so be it.  I don't care.  You trying to take some sort of victory lap about it constantly is weird.

And for the last time, I'm not neutral, I am staunchly anti-democrat.  I despise them, and the longer they're out of office, the better.  I'll accept the flaws on the right in the meantime.

I've explained this before, but you keep repeating the same old shit.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2278 on: May 13, 2026, 07:28:13 AM »
Can you ever stay on topic?

I don't care if we get it or our allies.

As long as Iran or any of our adversaries don't.

Who do you want to have it?

There isn't any.  Remember?  Oh wait, you have no qualms with being fed the wrong information.

Do you even know IF they have it?  I mean, they say they do.  Are they telling the truth?  Again, it won't matter to you.

I say we leave to decision to NATO to determine where it goes.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2279 on: May 13, 2026, 07:31:44 AM »
No, it's just irrelevant to the here and now.  Trump said we delayed their programs for years after the first strikes.  If he was wrong, or the info changed, so be it.  I don't care.  You trying to take some sort of victory lap about it constantly is weird.

And for the last time, I'm not neutral, I am staunchly anti-democrat.  I despise them, and the longer they're out of office, the better.  I'll accept the flaws on the right in the meantime.

I've explained this before, but you keep repeating the same old shit.

Your "I don't care" is simply cherry picking things to "care" about.  Or not.  There is not a single benefit from this entire war for the American citizens.  You don't just accept the Republican flaws, you embrace them.  Including whatever the orange puppet decides to tell you for the day.  Because if he lies ... well you "don't care what he says".     ::)

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2280 on: May 13, 2026, 07:32:12 AM »
There isn't any.  Remember?  Oh wait, you have no qualms with being fed the wrong information.

Do you even know IF they have it?  I mean, they say they do.  Are they telling the truth?  Again, it won't matter to you.

I say we leave to decision to NATO to determine where it goes.

When this thread started, I said I am operating under the assumption that they had enriched uranium to 60% and enough to make 10-11 bombs.  My beliefs subsequently are based off that.

If you have information that contradicts this, just post it.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2281 on: May 13, 2026, 07:33:52 AM »
Your "I don't care" is simply cherry picking things to "care" about.  Or not.  There is not a single benefit from this entire war for the American citizens.  You don't just accept the Republican flaws, you embrace them.  Including whatever the orange puppet decides to tell you for the day.  Because if he lies ... well you "don't care what he says".     ::)

We all pick and choose what to care about.

And I believe we are better off under Trump than we would be with Harris.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2282 on: May 13, 2026, 07:38:27 AM »
We all pick and choose what to care about.

And I believe we are better off under Trump than we would be with Harris.

Yeah, because she sure did not predict this exact scenario - and others - coming about.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2283 on: May 13, 2026, 07:53:14 AM »
Many on here seem to make excuses and defend Radical Islam and as I’ve said many times it’s a culture of homosexuality and pedophilia. You know who you are.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2284 on: May 13, 2026, 08:00:50 AM »
This is a war, not a bombing.

Ahh Pronoun Boy.

Fuck off Idiot -
And I was talking to the organ grinder not his stupid Monkey

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2285 on: May 13, 2026, 08:04:20 AM »
How many did he do without Congressional approval or valid reasons?

I take it then you were perfectly happy with him bombing so many
Because his Congress approved   ::)   FFS !!

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2286 on: May 13, 2026, 08:17:44 AM »

I've explained this before, but you keep repeating the same old shit.
His kind latch onto the smallest shit and keep repeating it for years, no matter how stupid they look.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2287 on: May 13, 2026, 08:19:00 AM »
Ahh Pronoun Boy.

Fuck off Idiot -
And I was talking to the organ grinder not his stupid Monkey

You are too old to lack this much wisdom and equanimity. I assume you have impaired executive functioning and a low iq.

Carry on.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2288 on: May 13, 2026, 08:23:36 AM »
I take it then you were perfectly happy with him bombing so many
Because his Congress approved   ::)   FFS !!

I missed this. Is Lurker one of the conspiracy theorists on here that thinks Trump needed a congressional vote to go in?

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2289 on: May 13, 2026, 08:31:11 AM »
I take it then you were perfectly happy with him bombing so many
Because his Congress approved   ::)   FFS !!
He bombed 7 countries without congressional approval. Were the getlibbers posting up crying about it?
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2290 on: May 13, 2026, 09:15:20 AM »
I take it then you were perfectly happy with him bombing so many
Because his Congress approved   ::)   FFS !!

Absolutely.  And because of the accurate intelligence.  Something you seem to have a problem with.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2291 on: May 13, 2026, 09:16:31 AM »
He bombed 7 countries without congressional approval. Were the getlibbers posting up crying about it?

As your superior already pointed out, this is a war, not a bombing.  Try again, cry again... won't make a difference.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2292 on: May 13, 2026, 09:35:41 AM »
As your superior already pointed out, this is a war, not a bombing.  Try again, cry again... won't make a difference.

Once again, are you saying he needed a congressional vote to go in???

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2293 on: May 13, 2026, 09:47:43 AM »
Did we win this thing yet or struggling mightily? The public perception by most that aren’t brainwashed MAGA cultist is that Israel dragged a former reality show host into a war that he seems very uncomfortable with dealing with. America will most likely walk away from this thing looking weaker than when they entered.

Still struggling mightily.

We already look weaker now than when we started. Before this, few imagined Iran could close the Strait for two months, hit our bases, and have us negotiating our way back to the old status quo.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2294 on: May 13, 2026, 10:19:01 AM »
Still struggling mightily.

We already look weaker now than when we started. Before this, few imagined Iran could close the Strait for two months, hit our bases, and have us negotiating our way back to the old status quo.

I feared something like this would happen after the 1st missile strike over the summer. You know, the one that supposedly disarmed their nuclear program (but didn’t)


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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2296 on: May 13, 2026, 11:59:10 AM »
Once again, are you saying he needed a congressional vote to go in???

You need Congressional approval for war. 

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2297 on: May 13, 2026, 01:18:54 PM »
You need Congressional approval for war.

The primary reasons cited for President Trump not needing prior congressional approval for the U.S. military strikes on Iran (launched jointly with Israel around February 28, 2026, targeting nuclear facilities and related sites in what the administration called a limited operation) center on longstanding presidential authority, historical precedent, and the nature of the action.

Key arguments include:

•  Presidential authority for “important national interests” in limited operations: The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinions across Democratic and Republican administrations (including Clinton, Obama, and Trump) have consistently held that the president can act unilaterally if the operation serves key U.S. interests and does not rise to the level of a full “war” (defined as prolonged, substantial engagements with high risk to U.S. forces over time). The Iran strikes were framed as targeted, limited-scope actions against nuclear sites (e.g., Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan), not an open-ended invasion. This mirrors precedents like Clinton’s 1995 Bosnia air campaign (over 2,300 sorties in two weeks) and Obama’s 2011 Libya operation (hundreds of missiles), both done without prior approval.

•  War Powers Resolution (1973) permits initial action: This law requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours (which the administration did via briefings to the “Gang of Eight” and committees) and allows up to 60 days of operations before needing approval (or withdrawal). Courts have shown deference to presidents on this “vague standard,” and the resolution is often viewed as an unconstitutional limit on executive power anyway. Congress can vote to restrict or end it later.

•  No specific congressional prohibition + implicit support: Over 20+ years, Congress never passed laws barring force against Iran’s nuclear ambitions. In fact, the House passed a 2023 bipartisan resolution (354-53) stating it is U.S. policy to “use all means necessary” to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Funding appropriations have also sustained such operations. If Congress opposed it strongly, it could have acted proactively (or can still pass new limits).

•  Imminent self-defense and national security threats: Iran’s nuclear dash, proxy attacks (killing/maiming Americans via roadside bombs and more), and “Death to America” rhetoric created a direct threat. The strikes also supported collective self-defense for Israel under international law. Some also referenced the 2001 AUMF (still in effect and unrepealed) as potentially covering Iran as an al-Qaeda harborer.

•  Decades of bipartisan precedent: Prior presidents (both parties) have conducted similar strikes without approval. Federal courts have largely stayed out, declining to block such actions.

In short, these sources view the strikes as a classic exercise of executive foreign policy and defense powers for a time-sensitive, non-“war” operation against a clear adversary—consistent with how U.S. presidents have operated for decades.

The Trump administration did inform (or attempt to inform) the Gang of Eight prior to the U.S.-Israeli strikes on Iran on February 28, 2026. 
According to multiple reports:

•  White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt stated that Secretary of State Marco Rubio called all members of the Gang of Eight to provide congressional notification prior to the attacks. He reached and briefed seven of the eight members.

•  House Speaker Mike Johnson (a member of the Gang of Eight) confirmed that the group was briefed in detail earlier in the week about the possibility of military action to protect U.S. troops and interests. He received updates from Secretary Rubio afterward. 

•  Rubio reached out by phone and text shortly before the operation began, consistent with the administration’s approach to congressional notification under the War Powers Resolution (which requires notification within 48 hours of action, but here they provided advance heads-up to key leaders).

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2298 on: May 13, 2026, 01:23:54 PM »
The primary reasons cited for President Trump not needing prior congressional approval for the U.S. military strikes on Iran (launched jointly with Israel around February 28, 2026, targeting nuclear facilities and related sites in what the administration called a limited operation) center on longstanding presidential authority, historical precedent, and the nature of the action.

Key arguments include:

•  Presidential authority for “important national interests” in limited operations: The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinions across Democratic and Republican administrations (including Clinton, Obama, and Trump) have consistently held that the president can act unilaterally if the operation serves key U.S. interests and does not rise to the level of a full “war” (defined as prolonged, substantial engagements with high risk to U.S. forces over time). The Iran strikes were framed as targeted, limited-scope actions against nuclear sites (e.g., Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan), not an open-ended invasion. This mirrors precedents like Clinton’s 1995 Bosnia air campaign (over 2,300 sorties in two weeks) and Obama’s 2011 Libya operation (hundreds of missiles), both done without prior approval.

•  War Powers Resolution (1973) permits initial action: This law requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours (which the administration did via briefings to the “Gang of Eight” and committees) and allows up to 60 days of operations before needing approval (or withdrawal). Courts have shown deference to presidents on this “vague standard,” and the resolution is often viewed as an unconstitutional limit on executive power anyway. Congress can vote to restrict or end it later.

•  No specific congressional prohibition + implicit support: Over 20+ years, Congress never passed laws barring force against Iran’s nuclear ambitions. In fact, the House passed a 2023 bipartisan resolution (354-53) stating it is U.S. policy to “use all means necessary” to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Funding appropriations have also sustained such operations. If Congress opposed it strongly, it could have acted proactively (or can still pass new limits).

•  Imminent self-defense and national security threats: Iran’s nuclear dash, proxy attacks (killing/maiming Americans via roadside bombs and more), and “Death to America” rhetoric created a direct threat. The strikes also supported collective self-defense for Israel under international law. Some also referenced the 2001 AUMF (still in effect and unrepealed) as potentially covering Iran as an al-Qaeda harborer.

•  Decades of bipartisan precedent: Prior presidents (both parties) have conducted similar strikes without approval. Federal courts have largely stayed out, declining to block such actions.

In short, these sources view the strikes as a classic exercise of executive foreign policy and defense powers for a time-sensitive, non-“war” operation against a clear adversary—consistent with how U.S. presidents have operated for decades.

The Trump administration did inform (or attempt to inform) the Gang of Eight prior to the U.S.-Israeli strikes on Iran on February 28, 2026. 
According to multiple reports:

•  White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt stated that Secretary of State Marco Rubio called all members of the Gang of Eight to provide congressional notification prior to the attacks. He reached and briefed seven of the eight members.

•  House Speaker Mike Johnson (a member of the Gang of Eight) confirmed that the group was briefed in detail earlier in the week about the possibility of military action to protect U.S. troops and interests. He received updates from Secretary Rubio afterward. 

•  Rubio reached out by phone and text shortly before the operation began, consistent with the administration’s approach to congressional notification under the War Powers Resolution (which requires notification within 48 hours of action, but here they provided advance heads-up to key leaders).

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2299 on: May 13, 2026, 06:48:44 PM »
Absolutely.  And because of the accurate intelligence.  Something you seem to have a problem with.

“Accurate intelligence”???   Lol Obama’s fucking military repeatedly attacked a hospital operated by Doctors Without Borders, killing 42 and wounding dozens more.  They chalked it up to a “mistake”.  Is that what you call “accurate intelligence”?  Nevermind the hundreds of civilians he killed through all the drone strikes targeting weddings and other social gatherings.

Trump II sucks but Obama was a colossal piece of shit, too.  Don’t be a hypocrite.